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Post by Mr. Thomas on Dec 9, 2013 8:18:37 GMT -5
Huck and Jim, on the run.
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Post by johnmarano on Dec 9, 2013 17:02:45 GMT -5
John Marano
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9 December 2013
ch 10-12
B. I really would like to point out how interesting and meaningful Huck feels about drinking the whiskey. In Chapter 10, Jim is bitten by a rattlesnake and results to drinking whiskey to help alleviate the pain. Huck goes as far as saying that he rather dies of pain basically than drink any sort of alcoholic beverage. I find this so ironic because usually in today’s society drinking has become an alternative for a conflict or pain. We see how different Huck is from Pap and that means a lot because he was forced to see the world without any guidance. We also know that Huck doesn’t always make the best decisions or have the best knowledge on things, but we definitely notice his strong judgment to resist temptation to alleviate his inner pain.
D. In chapter 12, I wasn’t even shocked at the fact that Huck thought stealing was “fine”. “Pap always said it warn’t no harm to borrow things if you was meaning to pay them back” (12). I was kind of disappointed how Huck really uses anything his father as taught him. This shows that although he wasn’t around much, Pap had some influence on Huck. It kind of makes me sad to see that Huck was finally beginning to understand the real world, living alone and all, and now he goes and follows something his abusive dad had taught him.
E. I find it quite ironic how the lady at the little story doesn’t actually find out that “Sarah” is Huck. I mean she notices that he is a girl because he can’t needle properly, but she doesn’t even take into account and put two and two together that this might be the run away. She is completely absent-minded to who she is speaking with and even gives away valuable information which will help Jim and Huck.
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Post by emmanuelluna on Dec 9, 2013 17:44:59 GMT -5
Emmanuel Luna
Mr. Thomas
English 11
12/9/13
D. I enjoyed the plan that Huck and Jim had made to get some information from the town without getting caught. Jim comes up with the plan to have Huck dress up as a girl and go to this woman’s house and ask about what had happened. The plan works fine at first but Huck messes up a lot by forgetting his name as well as not being able to thread a needle, which is what ultimately causes his plan to fail. However, it doesn’t fail completely as he is able to cover up with a new identity and is still able to gather information about what will happen with the investigation. He learns that they will go to Jackson Island so he goes back to tell Jim about it so they could leave.
E. Once again I can see that Jim and Huck are actually very intelligent, just not educated. When they leave Jackson Island they decided to only travel at night and cover up and hide their raft during the day to make sure they don’t get caught. However, I don’t like the fact that Huck considers stealing to be okay and it just ends up making you look down on him considering that Pap taught him this. You ask yourself why he would pay attention to someone that is always drunk and abusive like Pap.
C. We have seen that Huck is a smart person but why does he still look up to Tom Sawyer. When they find the steamboat, Huck wants to investigate it but Jim gets a bad feeling and that is when he says that Tom wouldn’t be afraid of the steamboat. Why does he need Tom to justify his actions when he is clearly smart enough to make them on his own.
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Post by johnrice on Dec 9, 2013 17:45:19 GMT -5
John Rice
Mr.Thomas
English 11
December 9th 2013
*I lost the paper with the letter guidelines, so i just began to free right about the feelings it had about the reading, apologies*
A. I would like to relate Huckleberry Finn's hatred of alcohol to teenagers in our society today. This is not so much a comparison as much as it is a observation of two drastic views on alcohol. Huck said he would rather be in pain, and die than drink the whiskey that Jim is drinking because he was bit by a rattle snake. In our society teenagers drink because they want to, or because everyone else is doing it and it might help them fit in. THey do it on weekends, in parks, with friends, whenever they get the chance to have a beer or vodka they take the chance. I think this is a testament to the maturity of Huck and the fact they he understands that drinking at a young age could be detrimental and its just not even that good.
I find it very fitting that Jim as the older one of the two (Huck and Jim) is really looking out for Huck in many ways. Although Jim is noy exactly a father figure for Jim, he is taking care of him. There a many examples of this. First, Jim shield Huck from the dead body they found in the houseboat. Secondly, after they found the dead man, Huck is thinking about it and Jim tells him that it will bring bad luck and makes him stop. Ironically bad luck is brought to Jim when he gets bit by the snake. Lastly when Huck needed to go into town, Jim makes his disguise as a girl in order to protect the fugitive state that they are in together.
Chapters 11 and 12 we very interesting. We meet this women who Huck is trying to get information from. During this encounter it shows the instincts and cleverness that Huckleberry Finn has. He is able to wiggle himself out of a very suspicious women. This basically saves him because although she said she wouldn't tell his real identity, once should found him to be Huckleberry Finn she would've turned him in. Secondly, I am not sure what to think about the robbers and the boat being cut loose. I am eager to fin out what happens. Huck and Jim's raft floated away and now they are on a wrecked steamboat with a robber who was just threatened by two others robbers? I am kind of confused, hopefully we will find out later on.
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Post by eointunney on Dec 9, 2013 19:09:53 GMT -5
Eoin Tunney
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9 December 2013
E. I really though Huck’s hatred towards alcohol in chapter 10 really portrayed how mature he is, especially compared to his own father. Unlike his father, Huck actually knows what is good for his body. Also Huck’s hatred towards the whiskey really shows how Huck wants to be his own man, he doesn’t want to act like anyone else, especially his father. Huck sees how his father’s alcohol problem messed up his father as well as his relationship with his father. I feel Huck really resents the man his father is and wants to be nothing like him.
D. I really thought the part where Huck dresses up as a girl was hysterical. Huck actually thought that he would be able to get away with dressing up as a girl, while still acting like a man. I was surprised that Huck messed up his name by calling himself Mary and Sarah because from what we have seen Huck seems to be an extremely intelligent child. Also the moment he gets caught shows that he has to be careful about who he talks to because anyone he meets may find out his secret, which will also end up harming Jim.
E. Chapter 12 perfectly illustrated how much Huck admires Tom Sawyer. When Jim and Huck find a steamboat, Huck insists they steal supplies from the boat. Jim doesn’t feel safe doing this and tells Huck not to, but Huck insists they should while telling Jim that Tom Sawyer wouldn’t be scared of looting the boat. This shows how Tom is viewed as a god by Huck. In all seriousness Tom isn’t a great person to look up to because the kid himself is pure trouble.
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Post by frankclarke on Dec 9, 2013 19:32:34 GMT -5
Frank Clarke
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9 December 2013
D. In Chapter 10 we see a common theme of luck, whether it be good or bad. The many examples of this shown in this chapter are: talking to the dead man wanting asked how he had been killed, fetching the snake skin, and also looking at the moon weirdly. When the snake bites Jim on his heel, both Huck and Jim both conclude it was the result of bad luck from fetching the snakeskin. This may show some sort of common theme in their culture, or a result of being away. Paranoia is a result of being isolated from everyone else, especially if you’re being looked for (more on this from Chp 11)
I. I’d like to take back what I said in class today, in regards to Huck being ingenious like Frank from Catch Me if You Can (Can’t believe I could forget such a wonderful name!) I say this because in Chapter 11 we see Huck get caught up in his lie of being a female when he is at the house of a new homeowner in his town. This is evident because Huck mixes his name up from Sarah to Mary, and the lady catches on “Come,now,what’s your real name?” And then and there that secret is blown, but Huck never reveals that he is Huck, but rather George Peters.
C. I find the relationship between Huck and Jim. There is nothing but trust there. “Git up and hump yourself, Jim! There ain’t a minute to lose. They’re after us! Jim never asked no questions, he never said a word; but the way he worked for the next half an hour showed about how scared he was.” These few lines show no hesitation in Jim, he didn’t think for a second that Huck was messing around with him. This is pretty cool, I love trust.
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Post by georgebaroudos on Dec 9, 2013 20:50:54 GMT -5
George Baroudos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9 December 2013
A – Everyone in their own way has an idol that they look up too and sometimes even want to be. I feel as if Huck is uncomfortable in his own skin. Huck wants to be someone that he is not. That person is Tom Sawyer. Huck reflects back to what Tom would do in a situation. I feel like Huck is courageous, but he is smarter then Tom. If Tom continues to influence Huck’s decision then it will not be a favorable outcome. Huck needs to learn from Jim who is able to keep to himself and embraces himself.
D – “Just tell me your secret and trust me” (59). This is what the women tells Huck when he is dressed up as a girl. Huck does not tell her the true story. Huck has a very difficult time trusting people. This is both a good and bad thing. The less trust we bestow the less hurt we become. Without trust we miss out on various feelings within life. Ultimately Huck has a difficulty seeing that she is genuine. Huck cannot come to trust her and that speaks to his past. His past has taught him not to trust. That’s why he has such a difficult time with trust.
I – This fear of trust maintains its presence through the past readings. The men on retreat do no trust society. Any of the fears they developed were because of their inability to trust. Trust issues stem from past experiences. When we are hurt we tend to shut down, it matters how fast we get back up. Sometimes we never do and live our whole life without trust, but that is no way to live. We must have an open mind and trust those who love us.
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Post by Sgarlato on Dec 9, 2013 20:53:56 GMT -5
Stephen Sgarlato
Mr. Thomas
English 11
12/9/13
A. The scene when Huck Finn is being questioned by the lady in the shack because he is being accused of murdering the man that was dead. She starts asking him many questions about farming since he used a fake farmers identity. This reminded me of when the police bring people in for questioning. They keep you at the police station for ever (not that I would know too much about it).
C. I don’t understand why Huck is always looking for trouble. Like, when they search the abandoned steamboat and the robbers are there. He wants to cut their boat free so they don’t get away. Hasn’t he learned that finding trouble only gets him into the most trouble.
I. I would like to answer Emanuel’s question about why Huck needs Tom Sawyer’s justification. I would say that since he spent so much time with him and Huck thinks he is the “cool” kid he just wants to be like him. He says “it would be what Tom would do” to sort say since a cool kid does it, I can do it.
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Post by danokeefe15 on Dec 9, 2013 21:18:30 GMT -5
Danny O'Keefe
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9 December 2013
C. What confused me about these chapters was when Huck dressed up as a girl and spoke to the women and she began to get suspicious and asked him to kill a rat by throwing led at it. I found this to be a weird test or thing to ask of, how is killing a rat suppose to help her decide if Huck is a girl or not. After all the questioning and testing she did I don't believe that she didn't find out. I thought it was pretty obvious that she is questioning some random person and that at the same time someone in the town is missing.
B. I found Hucks reaction and feeling towards Alcohol and the whiskey in chapter 10. This proves and shows us how big of a part it played in his life it was the cause of his fathers actions which causes him much pain and suffering. Huck would never touch alcohol saying that it's a horrible thing to do, although he has done some pretty bad things such as robbing and plotting to kill someone at the age of 13
E. What I liked about these chapters is that we see a change in Huck in the way that he's starting to become a better person. The reason why I say this is because we see Hucks thoughts on drinking and we see a change in his thoughts on stealing he takes allot of things while he is on the raft and as a way to make up for it since he felt bad he gives them up so that he can't use it, and we begin to see Huck kind of mature.
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Post by bourdonm15 on Dec 9, 2013 21:44:17 GMT -5
Matthew Bourdon
Mr. Thomas
English 11
12/9/13
B. We see the influence that Tom Sawyer has now had on Huck. “So I says: Le’s land on her, Jim. But Jim was dead against it at first. He says: I doan’ want to go fool’n long er no wrack.” (Page 66) Tom’s mischievous ways has finally gotten to Huck. Since Huck so far has been known to be the person with more common sense, it is honestly surprising that he wants to board the steamboat. It shows how Jim and Huck switch roles for this instant, since Jim is more curious than Huck and if Huck senses its trouble, he is quick to say no.
C. I was somewhat confused as to how the woman did not notice Jim right away. “So there’s a reward out for him – three hundred dollars. And there’s a reward out for old Finn, too – two hundred dollars.” (Page 56) I understand that she looks and probably is a newcomer into the community but how does she not recognize Jim? It seems pretty obvious that these two people lost in the middle of nowhere might be either Jim or Huck. She has her suspicions on Huck but not on Jim for some reason, considering he is the one without a costume.
I. I agree with John’s comment about the lady in the shack. Tying back to what I said in my last point, it is honestly quite hard to believe how the lady did not know these two were Huck and Jim. Especially for the fact, that they are wandering around that area when they say they are from Hookerville. It sounds very suspicious if you ask me.
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Post by djmat on Dec 9, 2013 22:14:52 GMT -5
Dj Mat
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9 December 2013
E. I thought chapter 11 was very funny but at the same time a bit stereotypical. When Mrs. Judith Loftus tells Huck that she knew he was not a girl because of the way he was knitting was where the stereotypes about women started. but then she takes it even further by telling Huck how women act and what he should do when he has to knot or even throw something. This was pretty funny because it was kind of like Mark Twain was making fun of women of his time by inputting this part into his story. I guess this is another one of those satirical moments that Mark Twain adds to his writing.
G. I am not to sure but if i were Huck when Mrs. Judith asked him to tell her the entire truth, i think i would have told her everything that has happened. She seemed to be understanding enough when Huck told her the fake story about him running away from the farm and she eve gave him some help and information of what to do. I probably would have left out the part about Jim though because people still would have a motive to capture him. If anything i would have said that smoke on the island was me, just so i could help Jim out.
C. So why are the two so trusting of each other? I would expect Jim to be a little bit sceptical of Huck especially since he is white and his owner who was white was trying to sell him. Is Jim being to trusting of Huck?
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Post by scanley73 on Dec 9, 2013 23:04:33 GMT -5
A. When Huck says that he never wants to ever drink alcohol it makes me think of a lot of the underage drinking that goes on in the country today. If you offered a drink to anyone Huck’s age now they would most likely take you up on that offer in a second. All of this just goes to show the kind of self-control that Huck has. Also, I think that the fact that Pap is such a heavy drinker has an effect on how Huck sees alcohol. He probably sees what alcohol can do to someone and never wants to be like that ever. It is good that he wants to avoid it too because from a modern understanding of alcoholism it gets passed down from parents to children.
D. Once again Huck continues to impress me with his ability to think on the fly. When Jim and his plan is in danger of failing he is able to put together a way for it all to work out. He messed up but because he is actually very intelligent he was able to think on his feet and come up with a solution on the spot.
C. I don’t know why Huck continues to use Tom Sawyer as a guideline for his actions. He is continually put in harm’s way because of this. He was a bad influence on Huck from the start but this time it seriously puts Huck’s life in danger. When they investigate the steamboat and the bandits find them we see just how dangerous listening to Sawyer really is
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Post by odonnelle on Dec 9, 2013 23:43:13 GMT -5
A.) Pap, the emotionally and physically abusive alcoholic father of Huck who was not unknown to cage his own son, is suspect of murdering his own son. The bounty on his head is 200 dollars, and a lynch mob is formed immediately for his head. Not much time later, Jim, the slave of Miss Watson, has a bounty put on his head, too. He disappeared, coincidentally on the same night as Huck’s “murder.” Jim becomes the second suspect in the murder of Huck, and is given a bounty of 300 dollars with his only connection to the incident being in time. The lynch mob’s new focus immediately turns to the subversive slave and forgets about the abusive alcoholic who has escaped justice many a time before. Without getting into a long research report backed by more numbers than should be humanly possible, there is no doubt that such racial prioritization goes on in law today. It’s to the point where drug use has been effectively decriminalized if you’re white and middle class. Although a hard thing to accurately figure out, the statistics would seem to imply that, at the very least, and contrary to popular conception, drug use among minority groups is about the same as non-minority groups. Yet, finding a white inmate in prison whose sentence is due to drug use is like finding a needle in the hay stack, while finding a minority inmate in prison whose sentence is due to drug use is as simple as finding a piece of hay in the hay stack.
B.) Jim and Huck’s journey and, by extension, their major development begin in these passages. If Huck had not cooperated with Jim in these passages, there would be no adventures of Huck Finn. There would be the untimely death of Jim by lynching for clearly kidnapping a white boy. As soon as Huck bands with Jim even after learning of the bounty on his head (and, although he has no bounty, Huck also has much to lose from being caught), the focus shifts to the dual protagonists, and The Adventures of Huck Finn (and Jim).
C.) Obvious, obvious question, but: who was the dead man? I was expecting the identity to be revealed immediately, so I’m unsure if Jim truly does not know about the dead man and is bound by superstition to not talk about it, or if the dead man is actually someone whose identity is somehow better left unmentioned by either Jim or Huck.
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Post by matthewchan on Dec 10, 2013 17:02:57 GMT -5
Matthew Chan
Mr. Thomas
English 11
10 December 2013
I. As many of us have mentioned on the discussion board and class, we know that Huck is a very smart and intelligent person through his words and his actions. In this part of the story, I think this is where he is starting to come out of his comfort zone by escaping Pap, running away to a different place, and now dressing up as a girl. Who would figure a boy dressing up like a girl and putting himself in danger? I am excited to see what he will do next.
A. I am surprised that Huck chose to save Jim from others who suspect him on being on the island after running away. I think Huck put himself in enough danger in one day and now he is also trying to help a friend. Huck could have just ran away by himself but he chose to stay behind and leave together with Jim. In today’s society when we are in this situation, many of us tend to leave by ourselves and leave the person who is in danger behind because they do not want to get themselves into trouble. Huck is not being a good friend but he is also being a good leader and example to others as well.
C. Did the woman Huck went to visit knew he was not a girl the moment he met her? It seems to me that Huck did a good job at first but later on, he forgets his name and starts knitting the wrong way. Then the woman asks him questions about farm-life. Is she also going to keep their secret or is Huck going to regret meeting her in the future of the book?
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Post by matthewsegarra on Dec 10, 2013 18:04:28 GMT -5
Matthew Segarra
Mr. Thomas
English 11
10 December 2013
A – I think the fact that Huck has no role model is setting him back. He keeps trying to fit in and do things that he is not comfortable with. He keeps trying to be like Tom Sawyer, and this is not a good thing. Whenever he has to make a decision, he thinks about what Tom Sawyer would do. Tom will just lead Huck into turmoil. I think Jim is a good role model for him, and he should stick with Jim.
C. How did Huck not fool the woman? He was dressed exactly like a female, and even though he slipped up with his name, how is their a difference between how men and women knit? That is very specific information. Will the lady tell everyone it is actually him?
I. I would like to respond to Emmanuel regarding Tom Sawyer. Since he spent so much time with Huck, and Huck really has no one else to look up to, he looks up to Tom. This would elain his infatuation with Tom, he is like you're bad influence older brother.
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