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Post by Mr. Thomas on May 21, 2014 11:33:10 GMT -5
"Jealousy...is a monster begot upon itself, born upon itself..."
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Post by georgebaroudos on May 21, 2014 15:45:37 GMT -5
George Baroudos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
21 May 2014
A- Othello puts out the notion that what he does not know cannot hurt him. This is very true in my opinion. Ignorance is bliss in some cases and sometimes the less we find out the better. Sometimes concerning ourselves with the whole truth can actually backfire and hurt us. We have to be very careful with the information we would like to hear and the things we should leave out of our memory. What we don’t know cant hurt us. What Iago does to Othello by leading him on is pure torture and I don’t think anyone should have to endure that. But, this is the sick mind of Iago.
D- “I should be wise; for honesty’s a fool” (436). I disagree with this statement. I think it is important to be honest. Not only with others but also with our self. We may believe we are fooling everyone, but at the end of the day they only person we fool is our self. When we attempt to rob someone of their happiness we are committing foul play. Dishonesty can easily take away from one’s happiness and can ultimately hurt that person. Lying is a horrible trait and so many people have mastered that skill. I think eventually it will catch up with them and ultimately hurt them in the long run.
I – Othello ultimately puts on act so that his wife will feel bad for the fact that she lost the handkerchief. Othello is guilting her into emotions that shouldn’t be. Desdemona is ultimately greatly affected by a simple mistake. I think this is similar with the girls in the court in the Crucible. This girls are trying to find sympathy for their wrong doing. Othello has not done anything bad, but he is looking for that guilt which is similar to the girls in the Crucible. What they do have in common is they have a goal and they are able to use their words to get what they want. This seems to be a theme in both of these plays. The power of words has such a great effect on the lives of so many.
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Post by bourdonm15 on May 21, 2014 19:32:03 GMT -5
Matthew Bourdon
Mr. Thomas
English 11
5/21/14
B. We now see the enraged and “villain” side of Othello due to Iago’s persistence of something Othello does not want to hear. “Arise, black vengeance, from the hollow hell! Yield up, O love, thy crown and hearted throne to tyrannous hate! (149) While Othello is saying this he is confronting Iago in a very violent manner. This is not more for what news Iago brings to him, but more of what Othello wants and does not want to hear. Everything Iago is telling Othello is things that he does not want to hear. It hurts him so much to know that the woman that he loves with all his heart is with someone else (so he thinks) and realizing this pushes some buttons with Othello.
F. It really is not fair that Iago continues to gain the advantage and everything that he wants. “For the fair devil. Now art thou my lieutenant. I am your own forever.” (151) His plan is working out great and mostly in his favor. He obtained the handkerchief to put the plan into complete drive mode. Now a villainous side of Othello is almost inevitable because of all the manipulation that Iago has done to him. We are only going to see tragedy conclude throughout the rest of the story.
I. I agree with George’s comment on what Othello is doing to Desdemona. Why can he not just confront her about what Iago told him? He is too gullible and honestly this will lead to his downfall.
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Post by johnmarano on May 21, 2014 19:45:12 GMT -5
John Marano
Mr. Thomas
English 11
May 21, 2014
D. Everything is now becoming so much more interesting now that the play is actually beginning to heat up. I specifically liked one quote from today’s reading when Othello was going insane on Iago. “Be sure thou prove my love a whore! Be sure of it. Give me the ocular proof, or, by the worth of mine internal
Soul, thou hadst been better have been born a dog than answer my waked wrath.” This is really important because for the first time we see how frustrated and angry Othello can get. He isn’t that calm, nonchalant character at the moment. Also, in my opinion his anger desperately instills fear into Iago because now Iago is aware that Othello is capable of growing so angry especially when he pretty much threatens to kill him!
C. Like we discussed in class, why doesn’t Emilia own up to the “missing” handkerchief? I am beginning to get a feeling that she knows Iago is up to no good and still decides to let it go. Also, why is Iago still continuing his plan if he has been given the position he initially wanted? Wasn’t that the whole reason for his deceptive ideas towards Othello who held the position he craved? Lastly, why is Desdemona continuing to bring up Cassio? Like does she not understand that her husband could careless at that point???
B. I thought the significance of this reading was the conversation between Othello and his “unfaithful” wife Desdemona. Othello literally attacked her about the missing handkerchief he had given her. He even goes as far as mentioning the importance of it in order to make her feel even more upset. This scene also shows a shift in the relationship between the two because earlier in the play Othello would always do what she wanted now it seems as if he is in control for once. This intense conversation also makes Desdemona a bit nervous because she has never seen such a side to her husband, but she is still clueless as to what is going on.
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Post by matthewko on May 21, 2014 20:24:08 GMT -5
Matthew Ko
Mr. Thomas
English 11
21 May 2014
E. Othello says, "This fellow's of exceeding honesty, And knows all qualities with a learned spirit Of human dealings," showing his acceptance of Iago's plan. Here we see Othello's turning point where he takes all this in and actually truly believes everything. This handkerchief set the stage for the upcoming gory scenes and i wonder if things will be clear when Othello talks with Desdemona and Cassio. Othello now looks at Desdemona a different way because of this knowledge, which is when ignorance is bliss comes into play.
C. What will Othello do now that he believes the poisonous plan? Othello keeps saying damn her to Desdemona which is frightening since all this should be pointed at Cassio if this idea were actually believed. Iago now jumps into play saying Desdmona should live but Othello's wrath seems uninviting for both of them.
D. I enjoyed the clowns, "I dare not say he lies anywhere," because it sort of changes the mood of the play. After all this darkness and gloomy action, Shakespeare decides to please the crowds and give them a break of being on the edge of their seats. After all, Shakespeare was supposed to be quite humorous and introducing these comedic characters is another literary device that is used to attract the audience to make them laugh a bit.
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Post by danokeefe15 on May 21, 2014 20:45:00 GMT -5
Danny O’Keefe
Mr. Thomas
English 11
21 May 2014
B. In these scenes we begin to see a change in Othello from the beginning scenes to now in the beginning he was very calm and cool headed but now it seems as if it’s difficult for to keep his head on straight with all that’s is going on right now.
C. What I found confusing about these scenes is when Othello is asking for the handkerchief from Desdemona. Does she understand what is going on? Does she know what he is talking about? Because when the others walk back in the room she says that Othello is frustrated over something else.
E. I find it interesting how good Iago is at lying and getting into everyone’s head. Another question that I have is Emilia is with Iago and his scheming because of when she gives the handkerchief to Iago. Does Emilia know what he is doing?
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Post by fotia15 on May 21, 2014 20:45:46 GMT -5
A. Iago's plan of with the hankerchief is fairly smart... I hate home for doing what hes doing but hes is really taking the proper steps to making it work out in his favor. His wife wont talk about giving it to him because she would fear him being up set with her. Othello was obviously very stirred about about her loosing it, so much that he yells at his wife and stomps out of the room. Iago is good at planning out his vengeance. I really hope he doesnt succeed though.
e. "OTHELLOOOO!! stop yelling at your wife your being played like a game of chess." this is what i was thinking in my head while he was talking to his wife trying to see if what iago said was true. He doesnt notice that ever word that iago speaks is twisting his brain. He doesnt trust his wife like he should, the poor girl would do anything for him, and she obviously has a huge heart. If only i could jump into the play and slap him around alittle bit.
B. the point of this scene is just showing how powerful iago could be and how his plan is going to play out. All these things that are being shown are definitely building up to something much greater and important. Mostly its made to make us think " holly shit whats gonna go do down next?". Shakespeare has a tendency of making us think that.
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Post by Sgarlato on May 21, 2014 21:00:48 GMT -5
Stephen Sgarlato
Mr. Thomas
English 11
5/21/14
A. I realize that last night I posted about the wrong reading because I wasn’t in class so here is the same post as yesterday but modified. So this is where it all comes down to for Cassio. In the beginning of Act 3, scene 4 Cassio and Othello are going to meet and discuss what happened and Cassio is nervous. Desdemona stresses that Othello is not in a good mood and tells him that she will go get him and try and calm him down.
C. What was the whole Bianca thing about. Like she wanted him to make a handkerchief with the same embroidery on it but then gets mad at him because she thinks it’s a love gift to some other woman. This is strange because, it just doesn’t make any sense. Why is she asking him to do something for her and then the next second she accuses him of making the handkerchief for some other woman. And then they make a date for later on in the play. Like we know she’s a prostitute so as a reader I can foreshadow what is already going to happen.
I. To answer Danny’s question I would say that Othello is asking for the handkerchief because he is getting very suspicious and wants to see if it has been tampered with by Cassio.
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Post by epoccia on May 21, 2014 21:30:08 GMT -5
Eddie Poccia
Mr. Thomas
English 11
5/21/14
Act 3
I thought it was ridiculous that Othello actually believed Iago when he told him the story about how Cassio dreams about Desdemona. The story was an obvious lie and I would have thought that Othello would not fall for it. Maybe he was just so angry that he needed to blame someone, and that someone was Cassio.
I am not sure why Emilia would tell Desdemona that she didn't know where the handkerchief was when she asked her for it. Her relationship with her husband, Iago, does not seem very strong and if i were her, I would not have helped him. I think that there is more to Emilia than it seems and she will become more significant as the play goes on.
When Othello is questioning Desdemona about the handkerchief, there is a change in power. Desdemona used to be the "general's general" but now it seems like Othello is in control of her now. I also find it kind of annoying how all Desdemona wants to talk about is Cassio. Othello is trying to tell her something and she just keeps going on about Cassio.
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Post by eointunney on May 21, 2014 21:41:48 GMT -5
Eoin Tunney
Mr. Thomas
English 11
21 May 2014
D. In todays reading we got to witness a whole new side of Othello. Before today we always saw Othello as being extremely relaxed and he always had a plan for everything. Now we see and extremely worried and angered Othello. He is attacking Iago because he is looking for physical proof of Desdemona and Cassio’s affair. Othello becomes very violent and he never stops yelling. This is a total different person we have seen from earlier in the play.
E. Throughout the last few scenes we have seen how evil Iago is, but in this scene we are seeing his master plan coming together beautifully. Othello has finally turned against Cassio and Desdemona, and Iago is still acting very loyal to Othello. On page 151 Iago says to Othello, “I am your own forever” (546) Iago is basically telling Othello that he will always be loyal to him and Othello can depend on him for almost everything.
B. The one thing I have noticed from this scene is how unfair all of this is on Desdemona. Iago’s main goal is to get revenge on Othello for not giving him a job he wanted. Desdemona really has nothing to do with any of this, but she the one getting hurt the most. Othello now hates his wife and her assistant/friend Emilia is not on her side either. There’s not much more that can go worse for her.
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Post by scanley73 on May 21, 2014 22:00:00 GMT -5
I. To answer Danny’s confusion, she does understand that he is upset about the handkerchief. She thinks that the real reason behind his anger is a political or a militaristic problem. She understands the importance of the handkerchief but I think that she doesn’t think that it would arrant that kind of reaction. She obviously is not aware of Iago putting these thoughts of treachery in Othello’s head. Therefore, she doesn’t understand the full gravity of how much it is angering Othello that she is unable to show him the handkerchief. I think that basically her reasoning is that he’s just taking frustrations out on her as she mentioned
C. One thing that confuses me is that Emelia doesn’t say that she gave the handkerchief to Iago. She didn’t do anything wrong she was just ignorant to what was going on and didn’t know that she was just being used as a pawn in Iago’s plan. It’s not like se would get into a lot of trouble for it I mean it was an honest mistake she picked it up and gave it to her husband who is a close “friend” of Othello’s so she is basically innocent and at worst she would just be scolded for not giving it right back to Desdemona.
A. In the scene where Iago is grabbed by Othello he reminds me of Professor Quirrell in that he makes it seem like he is a weaker person who is just a push over but in actuality he is a huge threat to everyone
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