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Post by etiennem15 on Sept 25, 2013 22:19:45 GMT -5
Marvin Etienne
Mr. Thomas
English 11
25 September 2013
The Crucible
B. John Marano's comment on part A is spot on to me. Whenever I get into some type of trouble, I tend to beat around the bush and try to talk my way out of being questioned. I would also hold information back knowing that it will get me in more trouble. When Abigail actually starts to open up, it reminds me of when I can't follow a lie anymore and I just give up and accept my punishment.
I. To comment on George's comment about the situation being a sort of domino effect, I think he is right. One accusation turned into lies which turned into suspicion and a jumbled mess. Who should they believe? I want to know who is telling the truth because it seems that arguments are flying left and right, especially between Abigail's story compared to Tituba's story.
E. When Giles says "last night mark this I tried and tried and could not say my prayers. And then she closed her book and walks out of the house, and suddenly mark this I could pray again!” I find this to be ridiculous. I think he has an over active imagination and he is one of those kinds of people that make a huge deal out of absolutely nothing. To me, you can't go off his word as being reliable because he is making an assumption out of coincidence. I find this absurd that his argument is lacking tangibility.
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Post by fotia15 on Sept 25, 2013 22:25:15 GMT -5
Anthony Foti
D. "will you look at my daughter, sir? leads hale to the bed. she has tried to leap out the window; we discovered her this morning on the highroad waving her arms as though she'd fly." I just wanted to bring it up because they keep relating people and stuff to flying. They dont know what a flying person looks like the only thing they have ever seen fly is birds and bugs. I just think its silly. Also i find it interesting how in the quote they they make it seem like she fell and broke her legs yet shes just laying in bed in no pain. Back then they had no pain meds or anything.
C." giles: it discomfits me! last night- mar this- i tried and tried and couldn't say my prayer. and then she close her book and walks out of the house, suddenly - mark this- i could pray again." i do not under stand how ones presents would effect someones prayers? i mean praying should be a time for you and god you should not be worried about whos around you when you say them.
A."that jumped in, we never put it in!.. Quickly what jumped in? ... why a very little frog jumped-... a frog Abby!... grasping abigail it may be your cousin is dying. did you call the devil last night ?" this is a conversation happening between parris and abigail which makes no sense to me. How does a frog jumping in your soup mean your cousins dying... What does the devil have to do with frogs jumping in soup? Why would the devil send up frogs as messengers? These are all things that make no sense to me.
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Post by djmat on Sept 25, 2013 22:31:53 GMT -5
Dj Mat
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9/25/13
I. What i found weird that i did not think of at first was how were people actually able to determine if someone had been a victim of witch craft? In one part of the play Puntnam says "She cannot bear the lords name. Mr Hale; That's a sure sign of witchcraft afloat." This lead me to be a bit confused because in real life circumstances we would not jump to conclusions like this without some concrete answers. Most people would probably think that Hale was very sick or maybe even hallucinating. But in the case because Putnam believes it is witch craft because Betty acts strange when she hears Gods name.
A. To be honest I feel like I can relate this section that we've read to regular people in our lives. A lot of people now a days tend to make up an illness and then ask a friend if they have ever had those same symptoms. Here Parris asks Hale to take a look at Betty because he is not totally sure what wrong with her but is leaning towards witchcraft. I think Hale is a bit more level headed Because he says " we cannot look to superstition in this. The Devil is precise; the marks of his presence are definite as stone." But they still kind of make up why Betty is not well witch reminds me a lot of people in current day society.
D. I thought the play was OK but i was not to fond of any of the characters. Some were evil and manipulative such as Abigail and others were just bothersome. The only one that appealed to me the most was proctor but even then i did not like him because he got with Abigail who is way younger than him. The characters did not seem very relatable and i guess that is why the play fell short for me.
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Post by frankclarke on Sept 25, 2013 22:45:30 GMT -5
Frank Clarke Mr. Thomas English 11 26 September 2013 E. The line: “It is as impossible for most men to conceive of a morality without sin as of an earth without “sky”. What I think this means is that no matter how hard we may try, we will never live in a world without sin. The puritans did not believe that, they believed that they were the ones to set the example of pureness and tranquility. Their main purpose, in their eyes, was to set the example for the rest of the world. Mr. Hale, who said this, was referring to the puritans and their faith in this specific example. D. On page 1231, when Parris says, “Will you look at my daughter, sir? She has tried to leap out the window; we discovered her this morning on the highroad, waving her arms as though she’d fly.” This is an important line because Parris finally tells someone how about his daughters condition, which at first he was skeptical about. Him saying this says a few things. First, he know realizes how desperately in need his daughter is. Therefore, he puts aside his reputation for now to take care of her. B. On page 1233 the exchange between Tituba, Hale, and Parris is extremely important and related to this entire story. A key line of this is “I have no power on this child, sir….. You most certainly do, and you will free her from it now!!” This correaltes to the conclusion that everyone has made that Tituba is a witch and has magical powers. However, she seems to refuse at first. Later on, she admits to being a witch!  |
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Post by rodriguezj15 on Sept 26, 2013 0:01:51 GMT -5
Joel Rodriguez Mr. Thomas English 11 September 25, 2013 The Crucible pg. 1229-1235
E. I find the girls, Abigail and Betty, to be little brats. To falsely accuse all the innocent people like they did at the end of Act One was evil. For example: Abigail: I saw Goody Hawkins with the Devil! Betty: I saw Goody Bibber with the Devil! Abigail: I saw Goody Booth with the Devil! (Miller 1235) They are the ones truly possessed by the Devil for carrying out such wicked schemes. A. This reading does not exactly relate to our current situations today, but can be related to the situations going on during the time when it was being written. During the time this play was being written the Cold War was going on. Like the author said, “While there were no witches then, there are Communists and capitalists now, and in each camp there is certain proof that spies of each side are at work undermining the other (Miller 1230).” Like in the 1950’s, Salem in 1600’s had two sides, God and Devil. Even though they didn’t fight head on just like the Communists and capitalists didn’t, they did have people turning on each other. D. My favorite line from this reading was, “You are God’s instrument put in our hands to discover the Devil’s agents among us (Miller 1234).” This is my favorite line because of Miller’s choice of words. He uses the word “agent” which goes back to the idea of spies. I highly doubt there was any agents in Salem during the 1600’s, so his use of the word suggests a reflection to his Communist vs. capitalists situation. |
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Post by scanley73 on Sept 26, 2013 1:02:38 GMT -5
C. If Abigail hates Elizabeth Proctor so much how come she didn’t name her when she and Betty were spouting out names? Betty felt that she was being sincere but Abigail knew that what she was saying was a complete lie. She wants to be with John Proctor but he has a wife. She had the perfect opportunity to get rid of her and she didn’t. I’m not saying that she should have tried to get rid of her I just want to know why she didn’t do it when she had the chance to.
D. For me it wasn’t so much one specific quote that I liked but a whole paragraph. In the description of Reverend Hale the author goes into Communism. I just love how in the middle of a play he decides to go completely off track from the actual play to basically shove right in the readers face how silly the reactions we have towards communism are. The one thing from that that I don’t understand is why was that there? Since it was a play it shouldn’t have descriptions like that. Plays usually only have cues and dialogue.
E. My reaction to Reverend Hale is that although he seems like a learned man he still does believe that the Devil has people sell their souls to him and has them do evil in the world for him. So although the man obviously has some level of knowledge he is not above the nonsense that winds up occurring in Salem
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