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Post by frankclarke on Oct 16, 2013 22:09:16 GMT -5
Frank Clarke
Mr. Thomas
English 11
16 October 2013
A. On the second page, second paragraph down, Hannah says: “that such remoteness from reality and such thoughtlessness can wreak more havoc than all the evil instincts taken together which, perhaps, are inherent in man.” What we can take away from this, is that seclusion kills. And in some ways greater than others. For example, today the U.S. government is shut down because a bunch of self-absorbing buffoons in Washington who won’t talk to each other, thus the shutdown. (Please note I wrote this before a resolution was reached… the shutdown went on for 16 days….) This has effected millions of people, and has already lost our economy over $10 billion in revenue for thousands of people. This just shows that indecision kills! (Vote Clarke ’32)
D. For the Milgram Study... it’s a bit scary to see that “only 14 out of 40 teachers halted the experiment before administering a 450 volt shock.” This can be a metaphor for, actually, the whole world. We can say that only 14 out of 40 people would stop a rapist from raping, only 14 out of 40 people would stop someone from robbing an old lady. OF course these numbers aren’t actual, but the fact of the matter is that they are sadly this low. It’s almost hard to believe the would isn’t in complete and utter ruins; humans are deadly.
E. The whole idea of the Milgram Study was pretty interesting. It showed how some people just blindly follow orders (which is probably why you chose these two) They blindly followed orders knowing that it severely affected someone else, while still trying to claim complete innocence. It’s absolutely absorb, and quite frankly, pathetic to see the results.
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Post by rodriguezj15 on Oct 16, 2013 23:06:16 GMT -5
Joel Rodriguez
Mr. Thomas
English 11
October 16, 2013
I. To answer Stephen and Sean’s question, the purpose for the Milgram Experiment was “to test obedience to authority.” In other words how would people react when given a command? In this case the participant blindly followed what the guy in the lab coat told him to do just because he was the guy with the lab coat. This experiment is significant because it explains why soldiers and officers follow order to the point of murder, because of authority.
D. I’m not into politics and don’t really pay mind to it but my favorite line from “The Banility of Evil” was, “the nature of ever bureaucracy, is to make functionaries and mere cogs in the administrative machinery out of men, and thus to dehumanize them.” I like this because it is a summary of the issues with not having power in the elected representatives. If you are being to blindly follow something you wouldn’t naturally do because of authority you are being dehumanized. The Milgram Experiment is a good example of this.
E. I agree the Milgram Experiment is, “frightening in their implications about the danger lurking in human nature’s dark side.” Us humans, despite as much as we know, don’t fully understand ourselves. Apparently we have a natural dark side that allows us to kill another person even though we never even had the intention of doing so. It’s pretty scary knowing that a sane innocent person can still commit murder.
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Post by djmat on Oct 16, 2013 23:18:48 GMT -5
Dj Mat
Mr. Thomas
English 11
10/16/13
D. The Milgram study article was very interesting because it shows how far human beings will go and how cruel they can be. This is very similar to The Crucible because once Abigail and the other girls were given power they abused it. Although not thoroughly talked about within the article the Stanford Prison experiment was similar. Students were given the roles of prisoner or guard and were supposed to act out those roles. Those that were guards abused their power and ended up treating their prisoners horribly. It was also interesting to how far those teachers went for experiment. One would think that teachers of all people would have a informed conscience and would know when to stop.
C. I do not really understand how a man can be ridiculed for doing his job. Yes we may see it as doing something wrong but for him it was his job. For him it was what seemed right to do. We did not jail and or kill all the slave owners after the civil war. Some might say that is on par with what the Nazi's did in World War II.Can this man really be blamed for what he did even though it was his job?
I. TO answer Matt Ko's question, from what I know it was one of many experiments done. There were others like the one in Stanford and even one to see if an infant could survive without the touch and attention of its mother. These inhumane experiments were eventually outlawed because they were causing to much trauma and were getting many complaints.
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Post by michaelannunziata on Oct 17, 2013 8:23:24 GMT -5
Michael Annunziata
Mr. Thomas
English 11
10,16,13
A. The Mailgram Experiment was really interesting to me because I feel that it reveals a darker part of human nature that we don’t normally see. I can relate to this from learning in global class last year about Hitler and the Nazi’s. Hitler shows the darker side of human nature because what Hitler did during the reign of the Nazi’s was the worst and most devastating thing a person has ever done to humanity. He is held accountable for so many people’s deaths and for him to encourage it just shows that he had no caring for people and only for himself. That’s how I can relate to the Mailgram experiment and how it reminds me of a dark side to humanity.
B. The experimenters and teachers are watching and listening to the learner become weaker and more painful. Doesn’t the sound of the learner screaming and yelling make them feel embarrassed, worried, or ashamed? This part it what I don’t get about the reading is because it shows that the people in the reading have absolutely no emotions and have no care at all for anyone else and this gets me extremely confused.
I. I agree one hundred percent with Steven Sgarlato when he said The Mailgram Study entertained more than the “Banality of Evil”. I agree with him because I also was amazed at the fact that they did the experimental study and the way that people actually believed it.
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Post by johnrice on Oct 17, 2013 18:35:52 GMT -5
John Rice
Mr. Thomas
English 11
10.17.13
Discussion Board
E. I wanted to talk about Adolf Eichmann in the article Banality of evil. This man was a part of the inner circle during Hitler’s reign in Europe in World War II. He is among the most evil men in the history of the earth. By no means do I condone what this man did, but I do believe there is a logical justification that can be made regarding human nature. As humans we strive to be the best we can, or at least we have an inner feeling to succeed. As a teacher, Mr. Thomas, I would think that you want to be the best teacher you can be. Or as a police officer one might want to do his or her best to keep the streets safe. Adolf Eichmann was doing his job, and he wanted to do the best he could of possible done. This was probably why he decided to use gas chambers, or sign off on a genocide. He is a horrible person but human nature can explain why he took that course of action.
D. “Only 14 out of 40 teachers halted the experiment before administering a 450 volt shock”. I just wanted to let that quote sink in, because it took me a little while to fathom how ONLY 14 teacher halted the experiment!! That is unbelieveable, but it does validate the reasoning that Eichmann gave of just following orders. The experimenter told them they must keep going, and he was the authoritative figure at the moment so there was no hesitation to blindly accept his word as the right answer.
C. I was a little confused on the Milgram Study when I started to think a little deeper. What kind of reprimand did the teacher receive when they want to stop the experiment. This was a question because if Eichmann were to try and halt his “experiment” his life would be in danger, and that’s probably continued.
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Post by epoccia on Oct 17, 2013 21:40:01 GMT -5
Eddie Poccia
English 11
Mr. Thomas
17 October 2013
D. I think I enjoyed reading about the Milgram Study more than "The Banality of Evil". I found it more interesting to read about the experiment they conducted. I have never heard of an experiment like this and it was different to see an experiment where the subject was being tricked into doing something.
E. One thing that shocked me about the Milgram Study was how far the teachers would actually go before stopping. They knew that they were hurting someone on the otherside and they continued to press the button that shocks the learner. It surprised me to see how many people were actually evil enough to continually and voluntarily hurt someone.
C. Something that I didn't understand about the Milgram Study was why they even conducted this experiment. Was it just to see how evil people are? This confused me a little bit.
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