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Post by Mr. Thomas on Sept 24, 2013 9:19:08 GMT -5
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Post by emmanuelluna on Sept 24, 2013 16:38:31 GMT -5
Emmanuel Luna
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9/24/13
E. One of the quotes that really stood out to me was, “the whole country’s talkin’ witchcraft! They’ll be callin’ us witches” (1223). This quote stood out to me because people are now realizing that with the hysteria finally settling over the town, anyone could possibly accused of witchcraft and no one is really safe. They start to realize that what the dance they did could cost them their freedom or even their life because people of the community are terrified of things that are foreign or strange to them since they are so conservative.
D. A quote that also stood out to me because I feel that it will gain more importance as the play progresses is, “She is blackening my name in the village! She is telling lies about me! She is a cold sniveling woman, and you bend to her!” (1225) In this quote Abigail is talking about Elizabeth who she accuses of ruining her name and reputation in the village. I feel that this will be important because she will use the witchcraft excuse to get back at Elizabeth for what she did to her. I think that this is where we will begin to see Abigail’s true motive for starting this hysteria in the village, which is to get back at those who wronged her in some way.
C. I was only left wondering if Abigail’s friends knew her true motive for staging this ceremony, which is to get back at her personal enemies. It just puzzles me that they would agree to do this knowing that they live in a society that is very afraid and becomes hysterical about things that are strange or unfamiliar to them. I feel that they should know how much danger they are putting themselves in by doing this and just how much damage they’re going to cause because of what they did.
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Post by seandelossantos on Sept 24, 2013 18:07:45 GMT -5
Sean de los Santos
Mr.Thomas
English 11
24 September 2013
The crucible discussion board
A. I think this reading kind of depicts the paranormal movies and documentaries shown on screen today. This part of the play reminds me of people telling their paranormal experience that happened in her house. I can see Abigail stating that Betty, “darts off the bed, frightened by me and flattens herself against the wall and screams ‘I want my momma’. (1223)” This part of the play is funny to me in which I see Abigail telling the tale of when the furniture started moving or when she saw something in the mirror. This part of the book reminds me of a show, The Haunting, in one part of the show, the girl gets possessed and is speaking in a deep devilish voice to the priest.
D. One part of the play I liked was when Abigail doesn’t want to punch Betty in the face. Mercy asked her if “she tried beating her? I gave Ruth a good one and she waked her for a minute.” Abigail at first holds her but she ends up punching Betty herself. Betty tells Abby that “You drank charm to kill proctor’s wife” and this is where Abigail just knocks her out.
E. In this part of the play I like Mercy for many reasons. My favorite reason was the fact that she wanted to wake Betty up by punching her in the face. It was funny for me in which she didn’t want to try anything else. She didn’t want to give her something or spill water on her. She was straight to the point and she just wanted to punch Betty right in the face.
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Post by matthewko on Sept 24, 2013 18:21:02 GMT -5
Matthew Ko
Mr. Thomas
English 11
24 September 2013
E. When Mercy indicates her actions “Have you tried beatin’ her? I gave Ruth a good one and it waked her for a minute. Here. Let me have her’ (page 19), I came to realize that people were very harsh on suspected witches and poured out intensive measures on those people. We see here that Mercy wants to beat Ruth until she wakes up. This surprised as well because this is pretty much torture. An act of beating someone when they can’t do anything about it shows how serious this issue was. Later we find out Ruth wakes up when hearing the Lord’s name.
D. I enjoyed reading Parris’s line when he states, “I am your third preacher in seven years. I do not wish to be put out like the cat whenever some majority feels the whim” (page 30). Ministers back then were very inspiring but yet were treated with disrespect. Parris ends up not being able to own his property and also not being able to inherit wood because of the majority against him. This gave me the insight that if the majority is on your side and takes your word, false or true, you will be safe.
F. When Giles comes to realize he is similar to Parris, he states, “I’ve changed my opinion of this man, John. Mr. Parris, I beg your pardon. I never thought you had so much iron in you. --- I have been six times in court this year” (page 31). Giles relating to Parris gives into his truce with Parris. He comes to a conclusion that he too has been persecuted wrongly and that he should also stand up for himself. Giles also states how he was convicted of burning down Proctor’s roof and that he had to pay off four pounds. Publicity really means a lot in Salem right now and everyone’s hope is to have that on his or her side.
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Post by poulong15 on Sept 24, 2013 20:09:55 GMT -5
Gregory Poulon
Mr. Thomas
English-11
24 September 2013
The Crucible part II
The playwright is at time very inspirational and I always expressing what he feels. We read about all the emotions of the characters, and the one that really stood out to me was said by Mr. Putnam. He said “ But I must, you think it God’s work you should never lose a child, nor grandchild either, and I bury all but one? There ware wheels within wheels in this village and fires within fires.” This was a real motivation because it is clear that obviously Mr. Putman cannot keep putting up with deaths and he wants it to stop. He states that he has berry and grandchild and child and it is the worst thing he has ever felt. I get a sense that he says this in a very monotone voice and absolutely shows no happy emotions.
The reason to why almost fully through this play I like it and it interest me is because f all the literary language and all the descriptive aspects. I really felt like I could relate to the poem, because I my self also had to burry my grandfather. This was not an easy task but some how I had to find a way to come out and pull through. Mr. Putnam also had to find a way because he tells us he has to burry his grandson and his own child. So I can in a way relate to his sense of worry.
During the poem I really enjoyed when the playwright began to describe how people thought and acted during this time period. One concrete example that really stood out was when the author goes into detail about how the people back then really did not appreciate witchcraft. This plays a major role in the outcome of the play.
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Post by matthewchan on Sept 24, 2013 20:18:42 GMT -5
Matthew Chan
Mr. Thomas
English 11
24 September 2013
C. Is there a bad and good side of Abigail? To me, Abigail is weird and strange. Abigail is very sneaky about things and definitely doesn’t want to tell anyone about anything especially to Parris. All they know was that Tituba conjured Ruth’s sisters and he saw Mercy naked. Abigail doesn’t want to say anything else. She is also weird because she wants John Proctor back very badly. He tells her he doesn’t want him and he is married, yet she still tries to get back with him. Is there something wrong with her?
A. I thought the part where Abigail was trying to get back together with John Proctor can relate to many people today. There are many times where girls want to get back together with their ex’s but they are dating someone or married to someone else. The girls still want to get back together with them even though they are taken. This also happens to many guys where they want to get back together with a girl, but the girl is taken. This is very similar to the story.
D. I liked the quote where Abigail threatens the other girls, “If you say anything other than that they danced and Tituba conjured Ruth Putnam’s sisters, I will make your lives difficult.” This shows Abigail is hiding something important from the others and that she is involved in this entire situation. She also acts like she is in charge with her bold and upheld authority to the others.
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Post by bourdonm15 on Sept 24, 2013 20:20:12 GMT -5
Matthew Bourdon
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9/24/13
B. The text of the story really is depictive and descriptive. “She sits Betty up and furiously shakes her. I’ll beat you, Betty! Betty whimpers.” (Page 1223) This is very descriptive in it showing some type of violent shaking of Betty. This captures the essence of a part in the story with very descriptive detail. It even includes the characters emotional state and how exactly they react. Most likely because it is a play is probably why it is so attentive to detail.
D. I found the lines that were talking about the Proctor pretty confusing. “These people had no ritual for the washing away of sins. It is another trait we inherited from them, and it has helped to discipline us as well as to breed hypocrisy among us.” (Page 1224) I am mind boggled as to how WE inherited the trait of not washing away sins from a Proctor. It honestly really makes no sense considering that if you think about it, a proctor was basically a farmer meaning he was one of us, human. So it is just beyond my knowledge as to how we (other generations) inherited something like this from a Proctor.
E. The whole idea about the Witch Trials is honestly boring, confusing at times, and dull. I did not enjoy the story whatsoever. “These people had no ritual for the washing away of sins. It is another trait we inherited from them, and it has helped to discipline us as well as to breed hypocrisy among us.” (Page 1224) This line was a pure example as to why I didn’t like it, these people make no sense and are confusing. It is almost like they just don’t think about what they say before they speak and if they did, something is wrong with them if they still back these ideas up fully.
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Post by joeroperti on Sept 24, 2013 20:25:46 GMT -5
Joseph Roperti
Mr. Thomas
English 11
24 September 2013
A) By reading this passage i could kind of relate this to most horror or scary movies because of its 'scary" essences. I thought that because of the people reactions to the witch accusations and how people where somewhat demonic. Also, How they depict the people who are sick if they are just automatically proclaimed witches just because of a sickness or disformatiy.
D) A quote that stood out to me was "she is blackening my name in the village" (pg 1225) because just having someone say that you were or accused of being a witch could make you be quarantined from the rest of the village. NO one would associate there selves with you.
C) i was left pondering on how people haven't realized that by just holding a grudge on someone and exploiting them to the village didn't show up as a pattern and how they didn't not persucte people for even accusing a person for being a with.
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Post by johnmarano on Sept 24, 2013 20:48:02 GMT -5
John Marano
Mr. Thomas
English 11
24 September 2013
Crucible
C. I have my confusions to this story. How Putnam and John Proctor begin to argue? I feel like it came out of nowhere. I really am curious to the whole story with John Proctor and Abigail. Did anything happen between them? Was there past invents that will foreshadow the story? I also wonder why Abigail is being so secretive! WHAT HAPPENED!?? WHAT IS SHE HIDING??
D. So far, I am growing more and more interested in the story. I am really beginning to enjoy the arguments and accusations breaking out. A specific quote that was really amazed me was “You think it God’s work you should never lose a child” (1227). In this scene, Mrs. Putman is growing aggravated and frustrated and is blaming the village she is surrounded by. She is also supporting Mr. Putman when he questions how he should be at fault to Rebecca. As Betty grows sicker and sicker, Mrs. Putman explains all bad things are happening and it never ends.
I. I would like to comment on Matthew Chan’s quote. I really enjoy Abigail’s role in the story so far so I like how he includes how she is threatening and abusive. “If you say anything other than that they danced… I will make your lives difficult” (1223). I like how he explains that she is hiding something and ensuring the safety of her secret. It’s like she is “in charge” of everyone. This scene really shows how evil and manipulative Abigail really is.
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Post by fotia15 on Sept 24, 2013 20:54:14 GMT -5
E. I feel bad for Abigail because everyone thinks she is a witch and is actually really wrong about. They want to kill her because she danced around in the forest singing songs in words that they did not understand. Maybe she was just a terrible singer and the priest didn’t know what she was saying. There really is no reason to kill this girl.
D. “Ill fly to mama let me fly! She raises her arms as though to fly ad streaks for the window, gets one leg out. Abigail, pulling her away from the window” I thought this was just funny I don’t really understand what is going on but obviously everyone in this town is a little crazy. Also even if she didn’t literally mean fly she knew that all the people were on there way over to her house so she really had no where to go.
F. I really enjoy the character “proctor”. He is a very stern hard working man but seems to care a lot about Abigail and her future. He kept her sleeping walking incidents to him self. “gently pressing her from him, with great sympathy but firmly.. Abby, I may think of you softly from time to time. I will cut off my hand before ill ever reach for you again. Wipe it out of mind. We never touched Abby.”
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Post by danokeefe15 on Sept 24, 2013 21:19:25 GMT -5
Danny O’Keefe
Mr. Thomas
English11
9/24/13
C. One question that came to my mind when reading pages 1223-1228 was that I felt like all of the servants were okay with these so called witches when one of them found out about Betty and Abigail dancing in the woods they seemed as if they were okay with it. This leads into another question, does the author do this because in this period of time Africans were looked at as evil or is it because this is how he planned out the story.
B. The long paragraphs in between dialogues are extremely important to the text. The reason why is because it can sometimes further explain things that you don’t understand from the dialogue and gives me an overall look at what’s happening and additional stories on certain characters that helps me understand who they are and why the act like that.
E. Part of the reading that I enjoyed and caught my eye was when the Putnam’s came to Betty’s room and immediately started to talk about witchcraft and Betty. They are still using fear as a way to get what they want and I feel as if they will be using this throughout the whole story. Also when I was reading I noticed that during Proctor and Abigail’s conversation proctor speaks about how someone might make false accusations just to get back at people and he goes on to say that he doesn’t want to be falsely accused of anything.
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Post by georgebaroudos on Sept 24, 2013 21:36:44 GMT -5
George Baroudos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
24 September 2013
A – The act of sneakiness is evident in any culture; I did not know it could stretch back this far. Abigail is very sneaky and is hiding something very relevant. Sneakiness and friendship do not mix; I have lost many friends due to a person’s sneaky nature. Personally it does not fly with me because of the un-predictableness. I have no idea what Abigail has planned next because they are hard to feel out. We must analyze any situation thoroughly and list the pros and cons. Whatever scheme Abigail has planned I bet there are more cons then pros.
E – The hysteria brought about by this craze shocks me. Parris feels as if he can’t catch a break. Parris feels that the constant presence of meetings is stressing him out. Parris is not given a moment to process what’s going on. Going to a meeting with a head full of thoughts will accomplish nothing. People must wait until Parris is in a better state of mind to actually reach out to him. It is not fair to Betty who is paid no attention. The idea of self-centeredness plays a vital role. People are only concerned for Betty because they want to protect themselves. Everyone is only concerned if she is a witch or not.
D – “Is it the devils fault that a man cannot say you good morning without you clap him for defamation?” (1228). I believe this quote is particularly important because many people take nice things the wrong way. Even in todays world many people take nice gestures the wrong way. The way we perceive things stem from our attitude of life, how we were raised a various other things. It’s hard to tell, but we should try and take the nice things in a good way.
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Post by eointunney on Sept 24, 2013 21:38:42 GMT -5
Eoin Tunney
Mr. Thomas
English 11
24 September 2013
C. The first page of the reading really confused me. In the beginning the girls are pretty much admitting that they actually did witchcraft. This can be seen on page 1223 when Abigail says, “He knows Tituba conjured Ruth’s sisters to come out of the grave.” But after Abigail says this, Mary Warren comes in and starts panicking about being accused of being a witch. Also on page 1223 Mary Warren says, “They’ll be callin’ us witches, Abby!” This first page really confused me because it kept switching from the girls admitting to doing witchcraft to being worried about being accused.
D. In this part of the reading, there were two quotes by Proctor in which I found very interesting. The first line was on page 1227, when he states, “There are many others who stay away from church these days because you hardly ever mention God any more.” This quote shows how desperate the Puritans are becoming to gain more followers. The other quote, which I also found interesting, relates to the quote above. On page 1228, Proctor says, “I may speak my heart, I think!” Parris responds to him with insults by saying “We are not Quakers…” This shows that the people of the Puritan church are becoming pissed off with the church. With this I believe this is the main reason why the Puritans are not around anymore.
E. Parris seems like a very stubborn and greedy man to me. He seems very unpleasant because of what he says to Proctor. He insults Proctor when he says that he is able to have freedom of speech. Like I said in my last part, people like Parris are probably the main reason for the decline of the Puritans. People back in this time felt an urge to gain more and more freedom; being a Puritan definitely did not help them with this. Parris also seems like a very greedy man when he starts arguing to Proctor and Giles about what land is his. This isn’t a very good trait to have, especially if you are a reverend
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Post by epoccia on Sept 24, 2013 21:47:24 GMT -5
Eddie Poccia
English 11
Mr. Thomas
24 September 2013
The Crucible
A. “Darts off the bed, by me and flattens herself against the wall and screams ‘I want my momma’ (1223). This scene reminds of many of the horror movies that they make these days. There is always a possessed little girl that has to be saved by the priest. The scene in which she flattens herself against the wall and screams something especially reminded me of a scary movie. As I was reading, it just occured to me that it seemed like almost every scary movie I've seen.
D. " This is a beloved errand for him; on being called here to ascertain witchcraft he felt the pride of the specialist whose unique knowledge has at last been publicly called for"(1228). I found this part to be strange because Mr. Hale considers himself to be a witchcraft specialist. This made me laugh a little because there is obviously no such thing as witchcraft and this guy is saying he is a professional in that field.
E. I cannot imagine being in the place of Abigail. She was accused of being a witch for no reason and she is as innocent as anyone. This makes me realize how naive the people of Salem were to even accuse anyone of being a witch. Many people were executed and imprisoned for absolutely no reason.
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Post by frankclarke on Sept 24, 2013 21:55:24 GMT -5
Francis Clarke
English 11
Mr. Thomas
11
September 2013
D. A few lines that I found interesting were Abigail’s little rampages on the bottom of page 1223. She was saying “Let either of you breathe a word, or the edge of a word, about other things, and I will come to you in the black of some terrible night and I will bring a pointy reckoning that will shudder you.” First off, this girl is clearly insane and has no right to be roaming the world freely. Secondly, this story has a pretty apparent portrayal of abusiveness. Due partly in fact of the slaughtering of the Indians, and vice versa.
E. Again this story is a bit hard to follow on a smaller scale, but it as a whole is pretty simple. By “the smaller scale” I mean the little tidbits of the excessive beatings and torture. Ill never understand why this occurs in situations like this. Yes, there is a certain culture of what is accepted and what is not, but that should never be accepted! I blame this all on Christopher Columbus, he was a ruthless tyrant.
C. Is anyone even nice to each other back then? Was it all about money and food and power and land? Had Abigail ever said anything nice to anyone?! Everyone seems very off and weird in this story. Again, I understand it’s the time period but its hard for someone in todays society to really comprehend these actions. It’s all very confusing if you really think about it!
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