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Post by 1adams12 on Sept 28, 2013 13:00:46 GMT -5
Michael Adams
Mr. Thomas
Crucible Pages 1236-1241
D. Throughout these pages, I liked many lines. One of my favorite lines was "The Devil's loose in Salem, Mr. Proctor; we must discover where he's hiding" (1240). The reason why I like this line so much, is that in Salem, there has been many accusations about who is with the Devil and who is being controlled by the devil. Another line that I liked while reading these pages was "Goody Osburn--will hang!" (1238). I liked this line a lot because of I did not expect him to be accused of being a wizard and this being hanged. The fact that I also seemed bewildered about is that no one in Salem has any idea what they are doing by accusing different people of being witches and wizards. This truly is a bewilderment, I truly do not understand how someone can accuse of being a witch or a wizard.
C. How can someone be accused of being a witch and wizard when people in Salem are trying to keep it on the low? If you accuse, someone and that someone is a witch/wizard, would you not be afraid that he/she will curse you and then you will be ill till you die, or something that bad? If you accused someone, would that person not accuse you to because you accused them? Throughout the reading these pages, I was wondering that.
A. Reading this somewhat reminds me of doing something, and I don't do that. For example: Someone would say that I lied about hanging out with young women. That would be an accusation because I know for a fact that I hang with young women. Another example would be if someone says that you don't like that flavor ice-cream. How would they know, if they are not me? I change a lot in what I like to try, and thus I would probably want to try that type of ice-cream. The point is that I know that other people have been accused of doing things that they have not done, or vice versa. The two examples that I gave up above, were not good examples, but they show you what I am trying to get across.
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Post by eointunney on Sept 28, 2013 19:56:38 GMT -5
Eoin Tunney
Mr. Thomas
English 11
28 September 2013
D. One thing that I found very interesting was when Mary Warren was talking about the women being arrested and hanged for being witches. On page 1238, she says “But not Sarah Good. For Sarah Good confessed, y’see.” I found this quote very interesting because it amazed me to see how the one woman who confessed to working with the devil is being let free. Seeing how she is being let free for admitting doing witchcraft honestly makes me wonder how idiotic the people back in these times were.
A. On page 1240 Mary Warren says to Proctor that she is an official of the court, which means she will be gone for a few days. This really angered Proctor because Mary Warren is Proctor’s maid. This prompts Proctor to reach for his whip to start hitting Mary Warren. This really amazed me because Proctor is treating her like the people of Virginia would treat their slaves. Also this scene really relates to when we were speaking in class about how some countries in the Middle East treat their women as property. It really amazes me how Middle Eastern countries relate to English colonies of North America in the 1700s
E. One character that really amazed me in these few pages was Mary Warren. She mostly surprised me on page 1240. On this page she is nearly whipped by Proctor, this causes her to stand up for herself and tell him that she has had enough of everything he orders her to do. This really amazed me because usually maids/ servants were very respectful to their employee and would always do what they say. I felt this scene really made these few pages more interesting than they would have been
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Post by johnmarano on Sept 29, 2013 10:03:11 GMT -5
John Marano
Mr. Thomas
English 11
27 September 2013
Crucible
C. In the beginning of Act 2, when Mr. Proctor arrives home, was he actually out planning? Even his wife has some suspicion. What was he actually doing? In the middle of the reading, the wife is annoyed when she hears he was alone with Abigail. It seems that she fears John a little. Do you think she knows of the relations that had occurred between the two? Towards the end, Elizabeth kind of knows Abigail is out to kill her? How does she come up with this accusation?
D. This reading consisted of John Proctor, Goody Proctor, and Mary Warren discussing Mary’s position in the Salem courts. Although not much action appeared in this scene, I like how Mary Warren is admitting that she might be cursed. “I am sick, I am sick, Mr. Proctor… I thought my guts would burst for two days after” (1238). Mary has just walked into the house and was getting yelled at by the Proctors. She begins to tell them that Sarah Good, “innocent” or not, is cursing her soul. When Sarah would come to the door as a beggar for some food, pain would take over Mary’s body. When she had visited the courtroom, she said “I feel the misty coldness climbin up my back, and the skin on my skill begin to creep, and I feel a clamp around my neck, and I cannot breathe” (1239). Mary was in court and watched Sarah lie to the courtroom. This spirit had taken over her body and she couldn’t even speak a word.
F. As the story carries on, it seems that John Proctor and Elizabeth Proctor hide many secrets from each other. John is constantly coming home so late and Elizabeth almost fears him to say something. Another relationship was with Elizabeth and Mary Warren. As John was growing angry of Mary for going to the court, I kind of saw a genuine friendship between servant and Elizabeth. Mary even says how she defended Elizabeth in the courtrooms when they were mentioned her.
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Post by matthewchan on Sept 29, 2013 10:30:21 GMT -5
Matthew Chan
Mr. Thomas
English 11
29 September 2013
A. The relationship between John Proctor and Elizabeth is very weak. There relationship reminds me about today’s world. Many couples have relationship problems like John and Elizabeth. There is something valuable missing in their relationship and other people’s relationship which is trust. If you don’t have trust in a relationship, it can lead to many difficulties, problems, and fights. That’s what John and Elizabeth have to deal with often. Both of them do not trust each other which might lead to problems in the future.
C. Will Elizabeth and John’s relationship last? So far in the story, John seems to be in the middle of many problems. In Act 1, Abigail wants to get back with John but John denies and doesn’t want to get back with her. However, Abigail will do anything to get him back. Also, in Act 2, John is also in the middle of things because Elizabeth doesn’t trust John. He always gets home late and Elizabeth is worried he is seeing someone else. Will John Proctor stand up for himself and do the right things or will he collapse and break both of their hearts?
E. I think Mary Warren is a good woman. The Proctors believe that she has a little problem but to me, she seems like a regular normal person. I don’t understand why John yelled at Mary Warren when she told Elizabeth that she said her life. Mary was doing the right thing by helping Elizabeth in court and reminding her that Abigail doesn’t like her and wants her killed. This is a warning for Elizabeth to be aware of Abigail. That’s why Elizabeth asks for more help at the end of p.1240. She might be killed for revenge!
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Post by emmanuelluna on Sept 29, 2013 12:22:33 GMT -5
Emmanuel Luna
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9/27/13
D. John Proctor and Elizabeth’s relationship is marked with a lack of trust between the two. This lack of trust is shown when Proctor tells Elizabeth that he was alone with Abigail and she gets angry and says that that is not what he told her before. Proctor then gets mad and says, “Woman. I’ll not have your suspicion any more.” (1237) This shows the complete lack of trust that Elizabeth has of John Proctor. Also by saying “any more” in his response to Elizabeth, this shows that she has been suspicious of him before. I think this shows that their relationship might not last since they don’t trust each other.
E. Mary Warren seems like a nice person since she comes in when Proctor is about to hit Elizabeth and in a way ends the argument. By being there she acts as a distraction to calm Proctor down and to maintain peace in their home. She also goes on to tell Goody Proctor that they must all love each other (1238). By doing this she assuages the situation and in a way also helps out John Proctor by telling Elizabeth that she must love him not distrust him.
B. Something that stood out to me was when Mary told John Proctor that there were thirty-nine women arrested under the accusation that they were witches. This really stood out to me because it shows just how fast the hysteria has spread and it also shows how scared everyone is.
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Post by bourdonm15 on Sept 29, 2013 15:40:10 GMT -5
Matthew Bourdon
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9/29/13
F. The relationships are very distant. It is evident that it is especially between Elizabeth and John Proctor. “What keeps you so late? It’s almost dark. I were planting far out the forest edge.” (Page 1236) The relationships between the characters are portrayed as a “trust no one” instinct that the characters have with one another. Every character has Salem or anything related to Salem on their minds. It is completely ridiculous how stressed out over Salem is each character. It is also made evident that they do not trust each other. John Proctor is shown to be hiding certain things from Elizabeth.
D. I enjoyed a line from Proctor where he is letting Elizabeth know not to judge him. “You will not judge me more, Elizabeth. I have good reason to think before I charge fraud on Abigail, and I will think on it. Let you look to your own improvement before you go to judge your husband any more. I have forgot Abigail (Page 1238). This shows how much friction this whole Salem Trial is causing between each of the characters. It is evident that Proctor is at a point where he is just apathetic of the whole situation and quite frankly, I don’t blame him , it is starting to get annoying.
A. John and Elizabeth is an image of relationships and friendships in reality. Many relationships and friendships cause to end due to lying and being two-faced. “John, you are not open with me. You saw her with a crowd, you said. Now you” (Page 1238). This is Elizabeth telling John how she feels about their relationship. It is a corrupt situation like most in reality.
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Post by frankclarke on Sept 29, 2013 15:46:54 GMT -5
Frank Clarke
Mr. Thomas
English 11
30 September 2013
D. On pages 1236 through page 1238 we evidently see a lovers quarrel between Proctor and Elizabeth. Proctor is saying things like “Learn charity woman. I have gone tiptoe in this house all seven month she is gone.” (Page 1238) I really think this exemplifies a lack of faith between the two, as well as the lack of trust. Proctor is swearing to Elizabeth that Abigail’s dancing had nothing to do with witchcraft.
A. Elizabeth loses all faith in Proctor when she finds out that he and Abigail were alone. Like I said in my first response the trust factor is no longer there, and the relationships that we saw in Act 1 are no longer intact, due to a web of lies and mistrust. These two things are what eventually brought the Puritans down to flames, and is subtly expressed in the Crucible.
E. Elizabeth continues to urge conjecture that the reason Abigail is sick is because she is a witch, and her sickness has to be related to witchcraft. Later on in the story many people have confessed to be related to witchcraft (which really makes no sense at all since it wasn’t an actual thing) Witchcraft is finally the main consensus on the overall theme of this story. Everything relates back to it, and everyone is so paranoid that they or their loved ones may be accused of being a witch, just as Gile and Francis’ wives had been arrested for speculation.
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Post by connor on Sept 29, 2013 17:36:24 GMT -5
Connor Ryan
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9/29/13
D. A line I enjoyed is "I do not judge you. The magistrate sits in your heart that judges you"(1239). I think this line means that you are the only person to judge yourself. The only thing that matters is the way you think you yourself. I enjoyed this line because it shows me that I should not care what other people think. If you are happy with your choices your life you should not try to change anything cause of what other people think.
F. Throughout the play I can tell that John Proctor and Elizabeth's relationship is not as good as we would think. We see that they are arguing with each other a lot over stupid things. Most relationships are hurt through people lying to each other and keeping secrets from each other. One line that points out Proctor in a lie is, "I think it is not easy to prove she's fraud, and the town gone so silly. She told it to me in a room alone- I have no proof for it."(1237). Elizabeth catches him in a lie because he told Elizabeth that he was not in a room alone with her.
B. Something that stood out to me was when Mary tell Elizabeth and Proctor that 39 people were arrested on accusations of them being witches. This really points out how scared people are of rumors that could potential affect them. People were most likely accusing other people of being witches so that they would not be accused.
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Post by matthewsegarra on Sept 29, 2013 18:10:11 GMT -5
Matthew Segarra
English 11
Mr. Thomas
30 September 2013
C. What was John Proctor actually doing in the beginning of Act 2? His wife also suspects that he was not out planning as he claimed. So what was he really doing? Mrs. Proctor seems to become agitated with the fact that her husband was alone with Abigail. It would appear that she does not trust him. Do you think she knows about their feelings for each other? Elizabeth thinks Abigail will kill her, how does she come up with this accusation?
D. This reading was about Mary Warren’s position in the Salem courts. I like how, in this reading, Mary believes that she is possessed. “I am sick, I am sick, Mr. Proctor… I thought my guts would burst for two days after” (1238). Mary was immediately scolded when she walked into the house. She blames her condition on Sarah Good; by saying she is cursing her. Mary would experience pain whenever she was around Sarah. In the courtroom, she said “I feel the misty coldness climbing up my back, and the skin on my skill begin to creep, and I feel a clamp around my neck, and I cannot breathe” (1239). Mary listened to Sarah lie in court, but she couldn’t speak because she was being possessed.
F. There are a lot of secrets being hidden throughout this story. John keeps arriving home at late hours and Elizabeth will not talk to him about it. Mary Warren and Elizabeth also appear to have become closer all of a sudden.
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Post by Sgarlato on Sept 29, 2013 19:12:26 GMT -5
Stephen Sgarlato
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9/29/13
I. To answer Matthew Segarra’s question about what John Proctor was doing with Abigail, I would have to say that since you and I know they have feelings for each other they where probably out just seeing one another. I don’t think they where having an affair but just seeing each other. Elizabeth also thinks that Abigail wants to kill her because Abigail has these strong feelings for John Proctor so she will kill Elizabeth to be with him.
C. I am confused how people in Salem have trouble with accusing each other. I have brought this up in another discussion board question but it seams to be a recurring theme. People are starting to get frantic and now its looking bad for everyone. Everybody is turning into a suspect because everyone has their own stories about why they do the things they do but people are starting to catch on to each other.
A. Abigail and John Proctor’s forbidden love is like any other love story except this is a little bit more strange. Strange like illegal strange. John Proctor is an adult while Abigail is a kid. Surprisingly enough that this situation happens a lot. Well not a lot but more than enough times. This situation obviously does not relate to me but it relates to many movies and television shows.
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Post by georgebaroudos on Sept 29, 2013 19:22:24 GMT -5
George Baroudos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
24 September 2013
A – I feel as if John Proctor has a very small temper. A short temper can never be good; I have seen many people get hurt from this shortening temper. One of my cousins who’s name is Dino has always had a short temper. With that being said I have seen him burst out in anger and said many things that would offend many. I love my cousin greatly but I would in fact change his short temper. A short temper is never a good temper.
E – I feel like Mary Warren’s story will be one of rags to riches. She is sick and tired of the constant oppression of the Proctor’s. Now that she has established her name in the courthouse she may become famous and get out of her servitude. I’m not sure how valid her statements are, but I believe she will make some sort of connects with the people she is dealing with in the courthouse. I believe the fame has gotten to her head way to fast and that is never good. If everything falls through now she does not have a fall back plan because she spoke to Proctor with gross disrespect. She essentially set her self up but I have no sympathy for her disrespect.
D – “I should have roared down when you first told me your suspicion.” (1238), no one likes to be accused. Even though Proctor did commit the crime, I surely would not like to be accused. Although I will always stay faithful, what goes around comes around. Proctor put himself in that position and it his fault that he is getting accused. I will never condone cheating, but I certainly do not like being accused. I like cut and dry evidence so that I can admit I was wrong.
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Post by danokeefe15 on Sept 29, 2013 19:42:32 GMT -5
Danny O’Keefe
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9/29/13
C. During the reading when Proctor finds out that Abigail is now being accused for bewitching all the other people that were accused, Elizabeth tells him to go down to the court and say something in her defense. He says to Elizabeth that he can’t because he doesn’t have an argument. This confuses me because he does, Abigail told him that she was dancing in the woods but that was simply it she wasn’t doing anything wrong and all the other people that were accused weren’t there with her so she obviously didn’t do anything to them. He also says that he was in the room alone with her so no one will believe him, but at the same time what everyone else is saying is also not true and no one really has real evidence.
D. A line that stood out to me was the line that Mary Warren speaks out to the court about the women. She says that something weird happened to her while she was sewing the doll. This weird feeling made her scream and remember everything that the poor women had done to her. This line shows to me that everyone in Salem is insane except for a few. Mary Warren says that she doesn’t even remember her doing these things to her which doesn’t make sense.
E. My favorite Character so far is probably Proctor because he is the only sane one in Salem. I also find that many of the other characters in the story are very annoying. I feel like Proctor is the only one that isn’t an idiot and he pays no attention to the dumb things that people have to say.
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Post by djmat on Sept 29, 2013 20:27:28 GMT -5
Dj Mat
Mr. Thomas
English 11
9/29/13
E. As most of you might have seen there is a giant lack of faith between John and Elizabeth Proctor. I find the lack of faith in each other interesting especially since this a is a reading about the puritan colony. One would think that these two would have more faith in each other especially since they are a married couple. At one point they were arguing and John called Elizabeth out on her lack of faith in him; Proctor: woman.She turns to him. I'll not have your suspicion any more./ Elizabeth, a little loftily: i have no-/ Proctor: I'll not have it!/ Elizabeth: then let you not earn it./ Proctor, with a violent undertone: you doubt me yet?"
G. If i were John at the moment he was arguing with Elizabeth I would be very irritated but guilty at the same time. I say this because my wife would be on my back about something that I would not want to talk about and would like her to have a little more trust in me. But I know would not deserve her trust because I had been seeing another girl and what makes it worse is that she was barely a teenager. I would also be aggravated because as John said "I have not moved from there to there without I think to please you, and still an everlasting funeral marches round your heart.
C. I am a bit confused as to why John did not want Marry Warren to go to Salem. Was it just because he does not want her to get caught up in the witch scandal? And why does Elizabeth not have a backbone to tell Mary she could not go to Salem but she is brave enough to stand up to her husband?
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Post by scanley73 on Sept 29, 2013 23:06:45 GMT -5
D. I like the line at the end on page 1241 where they say that Rebecca Nurse was accused as well. This just goes to show that even the most upstanding citizens were not safe. If someone was thought of to be a witch in the slightest they were instantly accused and most likely will be thrown in jail. The people of Salem had truly gone mad though to believe that someone who had done nothing but help the people there could ever be a witch. The town had truly gone mad.
A. When Elizabeth says that Marry Warren is no longer a mouse and acts as if she is the daughter of a prince it reminds me of how people act now when they are teenagers. Many teenagers will begin to think that they no longer need to obey their parents or those in charge of them. They begin to rebel and stop listening to them in general. Mary comes back and even says that she refuses to be whipped when Proctor grabs the whip. She even would rebel against him when he orders her to bed even though she wishes to rest.
E. When Proctor says that he won’t tell the court about Abigail’s lie yet because he needs proof and Elizabeth says he won’t do it because he has feelings for her I think that it is a combination of both. I think he truly does want to bring out the truth but he doesn’t have solid proof. However, he also doesn’t want to condemn Abigail.
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Post by rodriguezj15 on Sept 29, 2013 23:18:23 GMT -5
Joel Rodriguez
Mr. Thomas
English 11
September 29, 2013
The Crucibles
F. The relationship between John and Elizabeth Proctor is clearly becoming weaker. Elizabeth is losing trust in her husband because he comes home late every night and he becomes stubborn when talking about Abigail. For example, “Proctor: I’ll not have your suspicion any more. I’ll not have it! Elizabeth: Then let you earn it. Proctor: You doubt me yet (Miller 1237)?” There is even mistrust and paranoia between couples in this time.
B. The part where Hale comes unexpectedly to the Proctors’ house shows the intensity of the matter. He goes on to explain to them that, “And so this afternoon, and now tonight, I go from house to house (Miller 1241).” It seems to me more like an epidemic of a real sickness. The fact he needs to go house to house to check up on all the people who has been accused makes it appear as a plague has hit the village.
E. I like how Mary Warren is starting to come out her shell. She believe she has power now that she is a court official. Her response to Elizabeth, “I hope you’ll not speak so sarcastical no more. Four judges and the King’s deputy sat to dinner with us but an hour ago. I-I would have you speak civilly to me, from this out,” says it all (Miller 1240). While there is chaos going on and people lives are falling apart because of false accusations, she is actually benefitting.
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