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Post by Mr. Thomas on Nov 8, 2013 12:37:24 GMT -5
Creating an American mythology.
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Post by georgebaroudos on Nov 11, 2013 14:55:07 GMT -5
George Baroudos Mr. Thomas English 11 11 November 2013
A – “His children too, were as ragged and wild as if they belonged to nobody” (10). This quote really reminds me of the Ewells in To Kill a Mockingbird. Both of these families are not well mannered and in many senses do not have proper guidance. They are filthy and do not listen to anything. These types of people are the outcasts of society. They are looked down upon and have no respect. I can imagine both of these families having the smelly kid in class. With no rules nothing gets done, that’s why they are known as the lazy family.
D – “The very village was altered; it was larger and more populous” (18). This has become a common trend in our lives today. Throughout the country we have witnessed small towns overrun by large companies. We have witnessed the building of large malls, or stadiums rise up in small towns. As time progresses technology and a need for modernization to happen. Rip Van Winkle is shocked to see that things aren’t the way they used to be. It is difficult to adjust to any drastic change and in many senses we don’t want to do it. That’s why it is so difficult for elderly people to adjust to the changes of modern times. Many times we force ourselves to change for the better, but it is never easy. It is also hard for Rip seeing how his perception has changed greatly and it most definitely hurts especially seeing his house in ruins.
I – In so many ways this whole chapter has been about change. This chapter hasn’t been based on small change either, it is based on large scale life changing change. For example, the retreat of Thoreau, that is a life-changing event. Throughout the whole chapter we have seen drastic changes in life resulting in better things or worse things. We know have seen that adapting to change is never easy and we should know that going to Xavier. Changing from the man you have always been is hard. When we do not receive the respect we have been getting it is just plain difficult.
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Post by eointunney on Nov 11, 2013 16:52:11 GMT -5
Eoin Tunney Mr. Thomas English 11 11 November 2013
A. After reading this story by Washington Irving, I felt the story connected a lot with life as a student at Xavier. Rip Van Winkle goes out to the woods one day and when he returns 20 years later, his whole village has changed. The village is now overly populated and everything about his home is now changing. I feel this really relates to Xavier because when we were freshman the school had a comfortable amount of people in it, but now there are more kids being accepted into the school every year. I feel that school is becoming overly populated. Also the school is adding a whole new building, which will also drastically change the school.
C. One thing that really confused me in this story was how Rip Van Winkle ended up leaving home for 20 years. He just wandered off into the woods with his dog and then happened to stay there for 20 years. When Van Winkle said that some men gave him alcohol in the woods, I automatically thought of a children’s story where an evil witch gave someone a potion that made them sleep for a long time. It also made me think about the study of cryonics where someone is frozen with the hope of being woken up in the future.
E. I thought this story really related to the movie 12 Years a Slave. Rip Van Winkle went to the woods one day where some men gave him alcohol. He ended up not returning for 20 years. I felt this related to 12 years a slave because Solomon Northup left his house and ended up meeting two men who bought him a few drinks. He ended up being captured and enslaved. Both Rip Van Winkle and Solomon Northup did not return home for a very long time. Both of their lives changed drastically and when they got home everything was different.
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Post by bourdonm15 on Nov 11, 2013 17:14:09 GMT -5
Matthew Bourdon Mr. Thomas English 11 11/11/13 C. I am somewhat confused as to why Rip went into such a deep sleep. “One taste provoked another; and reiterated his visits to the flagon so often that at length his senses were overpowered, his eyes swam in his head, his head gradually declined, and he fell into a deep sleep.” (Page 16) This was very interesting and what I lacked to understand was if the drink was some sort of potion or did he just fall asleep on his own. Either way this part of the story really made me tune in to what was ahead throughout the rest of the story. A. This is similar and reminded me of the book by H.G. Wells called the Time Machine. Rip wakes up to find everything different, he is older now with a long gray beard, and he doesn’t recognize anything. “He found the house gone to decay the roof fallen in, the windows shattered, and the doors off the hinges. A half-starved dog that looked like Wolf was skulking about it. Rip called him by his name, but the cur snarled, showed his teeth, and passed on.” (Page 18-19) This shows how he basically traveled through time just in a different way. He fell into a long sleep while in the book Time Machine, the character actually uses a time machine. I. I agree with Eoin’s comment about the changes and how it relates to the students at Xavier. It could somewhat relate because since we were Freshman, a lot has changed like teachers, new faces, and the building itself in some areas. The same way Rip saw change in his village in the Catskill Mountains, Xavier students see change every year throughout the community.
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Post by Sgarlato on Nov 11, 2013 17:32:14 GMT -5
Stephen Sgarlato Mr. Thomas English 11 11/11/13
A. “Whoever has made a voyage up the Hudson must remember the Kaatskill mountains.” They are a dismembered branch of the great Appalachian family, and are seen away to the west of the river, swelling up to a noble height, and lording it over the surrounding country”. This quote reminded me of an experience of mine. I have been on to the Catskill’s before and when I read this it just reminded me of when I went. It reminded me of it especially the way Irving described it in the story. D. “The appearance of Rip, with his long grizzled beard, his rusty fowling piece, his uncouth dress, and an army of women and children at his heels soon attracted the attention of the tavern politicians.” This quote reminded me of Jesus and his life. Children, men and women where always at his feet asking for different things and the “police” at the time would always put him in trouble. Even the description of Rip is a similarity to Jesus’ look. I. To answer Eoin’s question about why Rip Van Winkle left for 20 years, I would say it was because he was annoyed of his mother’s nagging to get a job. After a while he got too stressed and just decided to leave with his gun and his dog.
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Post by matthewchan on Nov 11, 2013 18:14:51 GMT -5
Matthew Chan Mr. Thomas English 11 11 November 2013
A. This story can be related to couples in today’s society. Many friends and neighbors who see you everyday outside from your house might think that you are caring and loving like Rip Van Winkle. However, everything changes when you are home. Your husband or wife will start arguing at you for being a horrible person and will make you feel down. Many people also have “switched personalities” meaning they are a different person inside and out of their homes. C. Who is right? Rip or Dame? I think Dame is right because Rip is very lazy when he is home. He has failed his role as a good husband and father to his family. He truly doesn’t care about them since he leaves for a day of fun and relaxing. However, you should at least tell your family where you are going just in case something bad happens to you. You leave your family for twenty years and when you wake up, the whole world has changed. He deserves this punishment which can be a learning experience for him. E. I found it significant how Rip was part of a political and philosophical club and discussed current events. Since he was asleep of twenty years, he missed one of America’s most important events in history, the American Revolution. I found it funny when he went to the hotel and found out that everyone from the group was not there. It was also funny when the group asked him which political party he belonged to and he said he was a loyal subject to the king. Everyone found him as a traitor and a Tory. If I was part of the group, I would have kicked him out of the town immediately.
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Post by johnmarano on Nov 11, 2013 18:46:22 GMT -5
John Marano
Mr. Thomas
English 11
11 November 2013
A. I want to compare this actual story to some of the thoughts that I have. Being a very stressed out student, I sometimes just want to run away for a little and clear my mind and skip all of the nonsense. I sometimes can’t take the ruckus in my household and just want to be away from everyone. I wish I could wander off and live a life that doesn’t involve constant stress.
D. I enjoyed reading this story by Washington Irving because I liked learning about his encountering’s and experiences. A quote that amused me was on page 13. “Poor Rip was at last reduced almost to despair; and his only alternative, to escape from the labor of the farm and clamor of his wife, was to take gun in hand and stroll away into the woods.” As we know from reading, Rip was loved by everyone, except honestly his wife. He is escaping from his wife’s constant nagging. This has a deeper meaning. This can show that Rip can’t live at home or doesn’t want to be home with his wife. His flee to the woods was possibly the only alone time he could have to just think. His wife basically pushed him away to the woods.
E. I loved Rip Van Winkle. I thought he was such a great, warm-hearted person, who just needed to explore and gather his thoughts. I like his reactions toward nature and the way he handles situations. Rip was always generous as seen when he helped the man carry the keg. Rip Van Winkle had characteristic of a romantic hero. I specifically respect the way he grows a friendship with his dog. An amusing scene was his response to his wife’s injury. He was like almost happy about it. I thought that was funny because the whole reason he left is because he was the one always being emotionally injured.
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Post by 1adams12 on Nov 11, 2013 21:16:32 GMT -5
11/11/13
D. When I was reading, there were many lines that I liked, but the lines that I liked the most was "In that same village, and in one of these very houses (which, to tell the precise truth, was sadly time-worn and weather-beaten), there lived many years since, while the country was yet a province of Great Britain, a simple good-natured fellow, of the name of Rip Van Winkle" (Page 8). The reason why I like this line so much is because it is very detailed on where the scene is and who is being introduced into the story and to where he might be going.
C. While I was reading Rip Van Winkle, I came across was why did Rip Van Winkle decide to leave for 20 years and not once did he think of going back to say hi or check into his family. If I was to leave for 20 years, I would have kept in contact with my family and definitely visit my family at least once a year. One other thing I did not understand during the reading was the fact that Rip Van Winkle dozed off for so long. Was it because of all his traveling the previous day?
I. I agree with John Marano with his A, because several times I have thought about running away, but then I thought that I would just end up back at home since I was little then and did not know how to take care of myself. I also have thought have running away, but the fact that you are little when you think this, and the fact that because of the age, you do not know how to take care of yourself yet, you might as well just stay home and be in your room, where no one can bother you for a while. That is well worth it, because when you are older you will have to move out eventually, so you might as well try to enjoy the fact that you have a place to stay while you are little, because you don't know what is going to happen when you are older.
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Post by djmat on Nov 11, 2013 21:18:16 GMT -5
DJ Mat Mr. Thomas English 11 11 November 2013
E. I found Rip Van Winkle to be a bit careless or even neglectful. He helps a lot of people yes but in the beginning of the story Irving talks about how he did not tend to his family business or his farm: " In a word, Rip was ready to attend to anybody's business but his own; but as to doing family duty, and keeping his farm in order, he found it impossible." That was a bit upsetting because i feel that someone should have their life together especially their family before they go out and start helping other people. It is not wrong what he is doing for other people but it is neglectful when you are not doing your job and helping out your family.
A. Reading this kind of reminded me of the beginning of the movie The Shawshank Redemption. In the beginning an old man is let out of prison after many years and everything is completely different from what he remembers and now he has to learn to adapt to this more advanced world. This is very similar to Rip Van Winkle because after coming back to his town after 20 years Rip's town that he once knew has changed: " The very village was altered: it was larger and more populous. There were rows of houses which he had never seen before and those which has been his familiar haunts had disappeared." It goes to show things can change a lot in a few years.
I. To answer Matt Bourdon's question, Irving does not really say what the drink was but what we do know is that Irving was making a mythical story. So i guess we can automatically assume that the drink was some magical substance. In this case I think Irving felt he did not need to give us this information because he wanted us to use our imagination.
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Post by fotia15 on Nov 11, 2013 21:42:13 GMT -5
A. I like how they describe his father hood " he assisted at their sports, made their playthings, taught them to fly kites and shoot marbles, and told them long stories of ghosts, witches, and Indians." It reminds me of my dad alot when i was young. he was always at my sports games cheeren me on. He would help me with my toys even though he was very busy. He once came to a kite day at my old school. He also would read me and my brother stories before we would go to sleep. I remember him slowly making his way through the early harry potter books. In addition i thought it was funny/weird that they grouped indians with ghosts and witches.
e. I didnt like how Dame van Winkle would beat the dog. they describe the dog as "an honorable dog, he was as courageous an animal as every scoured the woods-but what courage can withstand ever during and all besetting terrors of a woman's tongue?" Im very against the abuse of animals. But this also shows a lot about Dame. She's a total bitch the fact that she has the heart to be so cruel to this majestic animal.
i. If he was so unhappy with his wife why didnt he have a misterres. many people in that time had more than one wife or at least a woman on the side. it states that alot of the other wives were very fond of him. it was social more acceptable then now a days .
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Post by scanley73 on Nov 11, 2013 23:37:34 GMT -5
A. Early in the story Irving portrays Rip Van Winkle as a huge member of the community. He describes all the housewives wanting to talk with him and all the children wanting to play with him. This reminds me of the people like that in everyone’s community. Every community has that one person that everyone wants to be around and they look up to that person. However, Irving then goes on to say that Rip Van Winkle’s domestic situation is the exact opposite of his public one. He shows his wife constantly berating him. His farm has shrunken and he cannot grow anything on it. This makes me think if this is the situation for all of those people that are big members of the community. Is there domestic situation bad so they are nice to the others around them? Although it probably isn’t the case it is still an interesting perspective to look at it from I. In response to Eoin, we have to remember that this is a fictional story. It is not meant to be regarded as truth and we should not look too deeply into why things happen. The number 20 was probably just put in there to make people think “Wow that is a really long time!”. C. One question that I have about this story is what audience was he trying to write to? Was this supposed to be for kids only or was it mainly for adults? It used some words that I doubt children would know but it seems like a silly story for adults at the time to read.
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Post by michaelannunziata on Nov 12, 2013 12:06:44 GMT -5
Michael Annunziata Mr. Thomas English 11 11,11,13 A. One connection that I can make to this reading is that I kind of knew what was going to happen because I heard about this story before I read it. The story of the man falling asleep for twenty years and then later waking up and seeing how the whole world changed is quite a common reading. And because it was so popular it pretty much ruined the story for me. And it made me not get the full experience of reading this passage that I should have gotten. That’s my connection to this reading. C. One thing that did confuse me throughout the reading was that Rip Van Winckle just wandered off into the woods and woke up twenty years later. I mean I know it’s fiction but it just doesn’t make sense. How is it possible that no body sees the part of the woods that he was in. How is it possible that a man even sleeps for twenty years without waking up at least wants I mean he wasn’t in a coma so it just doesn’t add up to me. That is what I was confused about while reading this story. E. Although this story did give me a lot of questions at the end of the day I loved this story because I feel like you can make so many connections to it and it makes you think if you had the chance to sleep for twenty years and have your life changed would you. I think I would.
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Post by rodriguezj15 on Nov 12, 2013 22:14:19 GMT -5
Joel Rodriguez Mr. Thomas English 11 November 12, 2013 Rip Van Winkle E. When I read this story I was thinking of it as strictly a fairy tale like “The Gingerbread Man” or “Jack and the Beanstalk.” When you look at it Rip Van Winkle could be the hero. He was selfless, loyal, and peaceful. But like every hero he had flaws; he had no ambition. His sidekick could be Wolf, and his archenemy can be his wife, Dame Van Winkle. This fairytale does end with a happy ending like Irving said on pg. 23, “Happily that was at an end; he had got his neck out of the yoke of matrimony, and could go in and out whenever he pleased, without dreading the tyranny of Dame Van Winkle.” But unlike most fairy tales with a hero living happily ever after, Rip never actually got in any confrontation; he just slept and got what he wanted. A. The line, “ Poor Rip was at last reduced almost to despair; and his only alternative, to escape from the labor of the farm and clamor of his wife, was to take gun in hand and stroll away into the woods,” is relatable to everyone I think (pg. 10). Everyone, especially teens, would love to escape their problems like Rip did. You see this all the time when teens lock themselves in their room when mad at their parents. D. I liked the saying “A tart temper never mellows with age, and a sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use (pg. 11).” It’s completely true, a person would never change whether they’re contemptuous or kind, but they’re expression of their thoughts would.
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