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Post by seandelossantos on Dec 11, 2013 19:40:31 GMT -5
Sean de los Santos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
11 December 2013
Huck Finn 13-15
A. This part of the story reminds me of many stories where a character can turn against the person he needs. In Chapter 15, Huckleberry gets into an argument with Jim. Huck tries to lie to Jim about their separation in Chapter 15. When Jim realizes he is lying, he yells at Huck for trying to make a fool of him. In my opinion, the fight between Huck and Jim can make their relationship stronger in which both of them are able to learn something from each other. There has to be a conflict or a debate because the both can find out how they truly are in the world.
C. There are some questions that arise when reading this part of the story. First off,
are Jim and Huck foils? It is kind of true because one loves adventure and one
doesn’t. Jim tells him that, “He doesn’t want no more adventures.(69)” Huck goes
on to explain how Jim could’ve been sent back to his home. Are both of them
opposites?
E. One idea I have found in this reading is the encounter of how a true partner is. I think really does find many new things about Jim in this set of chapters. Huck finds out many things such as how he doesn’t want to be made a fool of, and how he doesn’t like adventures as much as he does. It is something that is really present in this set of chapters. Huck really does get to know what Jim knows and he finds out man of his views on the world.
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Post by matthewchan on Dec 11, 2013 20:00:08 GMT -5
Matthew Chan
Mr. Thomas
English 11
11 December 2013
A. In chapter 13, Huck seems to be extremely brave and courageous once again. This time, he decides to take the robbers’ skiff and flee the boat. He also decides to hold back and tell a watchman about the accident by making up a story. I have been in situations where I had many decisions to make but not like a decision Huck made. If I was in that situation, I wouldn’t tell anyone and I would keep going until I am far enough. I admit that I am not that courageous and brave like Huck.
C. Does Huck have another characteristic besides being smart? I think he is very giving as well because he tries to look for Jim for most of the time after they were separated. He never gives up and focuses on finding his good friend.
E. I find Jim to be a bit crazy in chapter 14 where they discuss about kings and Frenchman. Jim always talks about this topic and always talks about how Solomon is a bad king yet he doesn’t understand the story behind it. He always seems to believe he is always right and never wants to change subjects. Is this a bad thing about Jim that will hurt him in the future?
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Post by eointunney on Dec 11, 2013 22:08:19 GMT -5
Eoin Tunney
Mr. Thomas
English 11
11 December 2013
E. From these first fifteen chapters that we have read, it is extremely obvious that Huck is an intelligent kid when it comes to dangerous situations. His plan of looting the robber’s stolen goods, while also taking their raft was a well-executed plan. This chapter also shows that Huck is a very skilled liar because he was able to trick the watchman to go save the people on the boat.
D. One thing I was extremely surprised about was the fact that Huck is a pretty racist kid. I know that this time period in American history was full of racism, but I didn’t think that Huck was racist at all. I was really shocked when Huck said, “It was fifteen minutes before I could work myself up to go and humble myself to a nigger:…” (page 86) Through these first fifteen chapters Huck never came across as racist to me.
I. Responding to what Sean said. I do think that Jim and Huck are opposites in many ways. Huck obviously loves danger and is also getting himself in tough situations. Jim hates these situations that Huck creates for them. Also the end of chapter 15 definitely shows that Huck feels that they are opposites simply because of the differences in the their skin color.
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Post by bourdonm15 on Dec 11, 2013 22:30:17 GMT -5
Matthew Bourdon
Mr. Thomas
English 11
12/11/13
B. I found it interesting how Huck tells the watchman that his family is stranded on the Walter Scott steamboat just to save the robbers. “I began to think how dreadful it was, even for the murderers, to be in such a fix.” (Page 71) Through his action and quote that Huck says here we are clarified the type of character that Huck is. He is a very warm and good-hearted human. Because of his character, he wasn’t able to pull the trigger on Pap when he had the chance. It shows that Huck doesn’t judge others and that even though he knows these people commit wrong things, they are still humans like him and Jim.
A. I related the part of the book when Huck is telling Jim how they are on an adventure and Jim tells him that he doesn’t like adventures to the relationship of an older and younger sibling. “I told Jim all about what happened inside the wreck and at the ferryboat, and I said these kinds of things was adventures; but he said he didn’t want no more adventures.” (Page 76) This shows how Jim is wiser than Huck and thinks of him as an annoying little brother that he tries to give advice to.
I. I agree with Matt Chan’s comment on how crazy Jim was. Jim was constantly talking about how he doesn’t like King Solomon and calls him a fool. He thinks he is a fool for wanting to chop the baby in half but he doesn’t understand the reasoning behind that. It shows how ignorant Jim can be.
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Post by djmat on Dec 11, 2013 23:02:08 GMT -5
Dj Mat
Mr. Thomas
English 11
11 December 2013
F. Jim and Huck work well together but they both are very different people if you think about it. Huck is a southern white boy who always seems to find trouble and he likes it. But Jim is a is a black man is tries to avoid trouble. Jim does not want experience anymore near death experiences that they faces in chapter 13 but Huck really seems to shine in these moments. It is really weird how two opposite characters could mesh so well together and unlike in other stories their opposite personalities kind of get along. In most stories the opposite characters do not get along like in the play Romeo and Juliet, Tibalt and Mercutio were opposites and ended fighting one another.
D. it might be hard to understand but my favorite line of chapter 14 was when Jim said "Bekase why: would a wise man want to live in de mids' er sich a blim-blammin' all de time? No- 'deed he wouldn't." this was really hard to understand at first but what he is trying to say is why would Solomon want to live with a bunch of women that talk all the time. besides that language being insanely funny, Jim's comment about about how women talk all the time was just unexpected. I was not really expecting Jim to come out with a sexist comment like that.
E. It really shows that Huck is really a kid because although we see him as this ingenious liar or actor he still is learning.After he pulls that prank in chapter 15, Huck realizes his joke was a bad one and works up the strength to say he is sorry. It is nice that Mark Twain puts that in to remind us that he is still a child and has a lot to learn.
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Post by georgebaroudos on Dec 11, 2013 23:20:52 GMT -5
George Baroudos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
11 December 2013
I – In class we spoke about the debate that some people say Jim is too uneducated. This in my opinion is 100 percent true. Jim’s mental capacity is way to low, even if he is uneducated he cannot be that incompetent. I feel like that is an over exaggerated stereotype of that time. I could be wrong, but Jim is no fool. Jim can live on his own, I just feel as if Twain depicted him in a childish manor and I do take offense because I happen to like Jim. Jim carries himself in a certain way that is likeable, I feel like he knows his place in the world. But Twain’s depiction gets under my skin.
A – I feel like sometimes lies can save lives. But that is only in select situations we need to lie. In the life that we live it is survival of the fittest, we must do anything we can to live. We should not lead a life of the wrong thing, but we should do what we can to survive. Huck feels as if lying to the ferry man that it would better his survival because he does not want the guilt. So he tries to help the men that were trying to kill the man. Huck lies about his pap and mam but its to help himself. Sometimes we have to help ourselves.
D – “En I hain’t ever had no dream b’fo’ dat’s tired me like dis one” (83). Even though Huck tricks Jim into saying this I like how Jim then goes into deep thought. I think this proves he isn’t as uneducated as it seems. Jim wants to assign meaning to the things that have happened. He is ultimately planning for the future and trying to find hope. Hope is something that will get them out of the situation.
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Post by scanley73 on Dec 12, 2013 0:06:30 GMT -5
A. When Huck manages to steal the robbers’ skiff it really hits me all the things that this kid has done. He’s held his father at gun point, faked his own death, found $6,000, pretended to be a girl, and he isn’t even 18 yet. He’s done more things already than most grown men have done in their entire life. Not only has he dealt with the problems put in front of him, he has gone above and beyond what is even expected of him. When he steals the skiff to get away from these bandits it makes me think what I would do in a situation like that. I hope I would think like Huck and grab the skiff but for all I know I might freeze up under the pressure.
I. In response to Matthew’s comment, of course he has more characteristics than just being smart. The kid held his own father at gunpoint and ran away expecting to live on his own. He his incredibly brave. Huck also displays the trait of compassion as you mentioned. He cares about others and doesn’t like seeing others get hurt. He wouldn’t kill his dad who really did deserver to die.
E. I really like how Huck manages to continue to prove to be a compassionate person when he sends someone to go save the robbers after he stole their skiff. He could have left them there. No one would have missed them, they were criminals. But Huck chose to send someone to go get them so that they would be okay
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Post by Sgarlato on Dec 12, 2013 0:32:29 GMT -5
Stephen Sgarlato
Mr. Thomas
English 11
12/12/13
A. Now Huck and Jim are outright looking for trouble. They are now essentially stealing the robbers steamboat which was probably stolen in the first place. I feel like the just made new enemies and thy are going to come up some other time in the book. I know I said this in the last post but there is a reoccurring theme of them looking for trouble. I feel like at the end of the book Huck is going to get what is coming to him and everything is going to fall back on him.
I. I would like to expand on Matthew Chan’s question that was already partly answered by Collin. Huck also has remorse and a conscience. When him and Jim stole the boat from the robbers, he felt bad because know they are trapped on the wrecked boat with no way of getting off.
C. I do not understand why Huck insulted Jim in chapter 15. When they get separated and Huck dreams up the story of them being separated why does Huck call Jim a “nigger’ and hurt his feeling. “It was fifteen minutes before I could work myself up to go and humble myself to a nigger”. Like it was just unnecessary and I know that they said that all the time back in their time but they are friends.
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Post by 1adams12 on Dec 12, 2013 1:12:06 GMT -5
12/12/13
A. I personally can see myself also helping the gang by rescuing them from the wreck. I like helping others and the fact that Huck wants to help them, shows me that I am like Huck. I feel Huck would want to help in any he can, just like me. The lines that I am referring to are on page 70;"The first light we see we'll land a hundred yards below it or above it, in a place where it's a good hiding-place for you and the skiff, and then I'll go and fix up some kind of yarn, and get somebody to go for that gang and get them out of their scrape, so they can be hung when their times." I personally would just rescue them and not even think about what would happen to them once they are captured again, if they are.
C. One of the many things that I did not understand was what would the string do once they rescue the gang from the crash? Would it be used for the hanging once they are caught? Would the string be for the person that is going back to rescue the gang just in case the gang tries to do something? Would the string be just to prevent the captain from getting lost? The lines that these questions come from are on Page 70. Just in general, when I was reading this, I did not understand why Huck was telling the boater that the gang was his family members. I would not want to do that, because if the gang does something stupid, I would be held accountable since I would be a relative of theirs.
D. While I was reading, the lines that I like are on page 73; "why that's all right. Miss hooker she tole me, particular, that her uncle Hornback/ Great guns! is he her uncle? Looky here, you break for that light over younder-way, and turn out west when you git there, and about a quarter mile out you'll come to git there, and about a quarter of a mile out you'll come to the tavern; tell 'em to dart you out to Jim Hornback's, and he'll foot the bill. And don't you fool around any, because he'll want to know the news. Tell him I'lll have his niece all safe before he can get to town. Hump yourself, now; I'm a-going up around the corner here to roust out my engineer." The reason why I like those lines so much is because of the fact that those lines are really descriptive, especially on how you would be able to find Hornback. I can also picture Huck either wandering around and/or going but not mentioning the fact that he is rescuing the gang members.
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Post by michaelannunziata on Dec 12, 2013 8:53:07 GMT -5
Michael Annunziata
Mr. Thomas
English 11
12, 12, 13
A. One thing that I can relate too was when Huck decided to steal from the robbers. This hit me a lot because I did not think that Huck was going to start becoming his father but it seems like it is. I thought Huck was going to turn his life around and forget about the things that happened in his life before and try to move on from it. I can relate to this because it shows that you can’t judge a book by its cover and that’s the exact situation that I feel about Huck.
B. One thing that I did not like at all was when Huck got into a fight with Jim and Huck called Jim a “ nigger”. I felt like to just break off all of their friendship and all the things that they had together. I thought Huck was different but it’s very clear to me that he is not. Before this reading I loved Huck and felt like he was on the right track to bring back his life, but its clear to me that he’s not and he’s just like his father.
D. One thing that I did like during this reading was the way Mark twain is keep isolating Huck. I can tell that he always wants Huck to be on his own and to battle society by himself. I felt like this was interesting because it shows what kind of a genius Mark Twain was.
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Post by emmanuelluna on Dec 12, 2013 16:48:45 GMT -5
Emmanuel Luna
Mr. Thomas
English 11
12/11/13
C. Huck is a smart and moral person but I don’t get why his morality has to conflict with his plans. When he and Jim finally leave the boat Huck feels bad for the robbers on the ship because he knows that it will sink and they will ultimately drown if nothing is done. Although Huck is clearly looking out for them to make sure they don’t die why does he have to feel bad for them if they themselves are bad people and wanted to kill one of their men. Why does Huck constantly have pity on bad people like he did on Pap before?
D. I enjoyed the scene where Jim and Huck are discussing whether or not Solomon is stupid or not for wanting to split the child in half in the story they read. Jim insists that he actually wanted to split the kid in two and that because of this he was stupid. Huck, however, says that he actually said that as a test to prove who was actually the mother without hurting the kid. This shows how smart Huck is against because even though he was not educated he still knows more and is smarter than most educated people.
E. I enjoyed the point that Jim brings up with Huck when they are talking about the Frenchman. Huck tells Jim that they don’t speak the same as them and Jim thinks that this is strange. He thinks that this is ridiculous and says that if all cats talk the same and all dogs talk the same how come all men don’t talk the same. I like that he brings this up because it also shows that Jim is smart and intellectually competent despite being an uneducated slave.
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Post by matthewsegarra on Dec 12, 2013 18:08:37 GMT -5
Matthew Segarra
Mr. Thomas
English 11
12 December 2013
A. In chapter 13, we see Huck use a sense of morality. Huck and Jim encounter three robbers. The robbers are docked to the
land. Huck and Finn see this and they cut their ties to the land. The robbers float off into the distance to be left for dead. Huck
feels bad and he goes back to try and save them, “I began to think how dreadful it was, even for the murderers, to be in such a
fix.” (Page 71). Unfortunately, or fortunately, they have already drowned. Even though these were bad people, Huck still went
back to try and save them. He uses good moral judgement and is thinking for himself, instead of thinking like Tom Sawyer.
B. I find it interesting when Jim and Huck clash heads. We see Jim display his mature side while arguing about adventuring with
Huck. We also see that Jim can be pretty stubborn. Even Huck says that when Jim gets an idea in his head, it is impossible to
change it. Jim does not want to adventure anyway, he just wants to make it to Cairo and be free. He does not want to risk any
chance of being re-captured.
I. In a response to Matthew Chan for his response to "E." I would like to say that I think Jim is a normal peson. He may have
different ways of viewing things, but that is because he really is not that educated. He has been a slave for a lot of his life and he
has not been exposed to education, so his way of interpreting things will differ from Huck.
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Post by johnmarano on Dec 15, 2013 11:33:02 GMT -5
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John Marano
Mr. Thomas
English 11
15 December 2013
B. In Chapter 13, I really liked how Huck handled his mistakes. Obviously we know that he has had almost zero guidance and has been forced to learn on his own. He basically left a family to die. I was really disappointed in this because Huck should know how it feels to be left helpless, especially when he was kidnapped by his dad. But, I knew he would try to change this because Huck isn’t a murderer and he isn’t careless, like his father. When he creates this story to help the family I was absolutely astonished. I was so happy to see that Huck, although learning to survive, still has a great mind, a mind that cares for others as well. People make mistakes, its life. Really often to people go out of their way to fix their mistakes, especially in such drastic situations. Huck never failed to demonstrate the good qualities he has and I believe his caring soul will last forever along his journey.
D. In chapter 14, we really get to finally see a long-lasting, real conversation between Jim and Huck. They first converse about the Solomon Bible story and I find this so fascinating because Jim actually is somewhat educated. When they move onto the language topic, Jim says “Looky here, Jim; does a cat talk like we do?” This quote really stood out to me during the conversation because the whole time I just kept thinking of equality. Jim is saying how all people, no matter what language, talk the same. Jim is a slave and for him to talk about people being equal is crazy. I personally do not think he realizes this but it’s so ironic. Jim explains how no matter what language people are the same. It must be such a hard thing to say if he was enslaved and not the same as regular freemen.
I. As I was about to post my discussion board, I noticed a comment made by Matthew Chan. He says that Huck is extremely brave and courageous and he uses an example. I want to point out that the whole entire situation is he being courageous. I mean he has just escaped an insane father and he ran away with a slave. This whole thing puts so much pressure on Huck and somehow he still remains smart and brave. I would like to say that Huck is definitely developing as a person who is learning how to survive on his own and adapt to his environments.
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Post by johnrice on Dec 18, 2013 19:23:47 GMT -5
(I WAS ABSENT)
John Rice
Mr. Thomas
English 11
December 15, 2013
A. In Chapter 13, Huck once again shows his fearlessness and courage in situations that are pretty sticky. Huck felt pretty bad for the robber on the boat stranded so he does a good deed. He finds help on shore, and sends the help to the wreckage of the boat. He relates to the robber because he feels that one day he will become a robber. This shows the maturity of Huckleberry Finn. Although he is not working side by side with the robber, he can empathize with him, and ultimately helps the robber by sending the ferry conductor as his savior.
A. These chapters are closely similar to other stories in which characters are put in a tough situation and they begin to turn on each other. Although they don’t mean to turn against each other, the circumstances reach their mental state and they begin to fight. I believe this is what happened with Huckleberry Finn and Jim. They coexist together, and it is a symbiotic relationship. After the situation with the wreckage, they begin to fight. They can not continue fighting because they need each other as a means to survive in the wilderness as well as a means of comfort and solidarity.
B. I believe one very meaningful quote within these chapters was when Huckleberry Finn said, “It was fifteen minutes before I could work myself up to go and humble myself to a nigger,” . This was very important because, once again it showed the maturity in Huckleberry Finn. It showed maturity that not many people during this time had developed. He was able to recognize the friendship he had dwelled far deeper than the color on Jim’s skin. He was also able to recognize that he was wrong, and he cared for Jim, unlike people like Ms. Watson who sold him like a piece of property.
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Post by johnrice on Dec 18, 2013 19:25:27 GMT -5
(I WAS ABSENT)
John Rice
Mr. Thomas
English 11
December 15, 2013
A. In Chapter 13, Huck once again shows his fearlessness and courage in situations that are pretty sticky. Huck felt pretty bad for the robber on the boat stranded so he does a good deed. He finds help on shore, and sends the help to the wreckage of the boat. He relates to the robber because he feels that one day he will become a robber. This shows the maturity of Huckleberry Finn. Although he is not working side by side with the robber, he can empathize with him, and ultimately helps the robber by sending the ferry conductor as his savior.
A. These chapters are closely similar to other stories in which characters are put in a tough situation and they begin to turn on each other. Although they don’t mean to turn against each other, the circumstances reach their mental state and they begin to fight. I believe this is what happened with Huckleberry Finn and Jim. They coexist together, and it is a symbiotic relationship. After the situation with the wreckage, they begin to fight. They can not continue fighting because they need each other as a means to survive in the wilderness as well as a means of comfort and solidarity.
B. I believe one very meaningful quote within these chapters was when Huckleberry Finn said, “It was fifteen minutes before I could work myself up to go and humble myself to a nigger,” . This was very important because, once again it showed the maturity in Huckleberry Finn. It showed maturity that not many people during this time had developed. He was able to recognize the friendship he had dwelled far deeper than the color on Jim’s skin. He was also able to recognize that he was wrong, and he cared for Jim, unlike people like Ms. Watson who sold him like a piece of property.
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