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Post by Mr. Thomas on Mar 12, 2014 6:53:06 GMT -5
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Post by seandelossantos on Mar 12, 2014 12:01:27 GMT -5
Sean de los Santos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
13 March 2014
Great Gatsby Chapter 5 Discussion
C. I have a few questions for Mr. Gatsby in Chapter 5. First off, why so nervous about Daisy? Gatsby was literally shaking and he was literally freaking out over her because of how nervous it was. I found it kind of weird that he was so nervous about meeting Daisy again. Also why was there so much preparation for this tea date? It was just a cup of tea he had to prepare for. He cuts Gatsby’s grass and he wears the most fancy clothes for this date.
A. I find this part of the Chapter equivalent to a couple meeting after so many years. From what I can infer in this chapter, I think Gatsby and Daisy might have hooked up at one point and that they have not seen each other since. From what I have learned from religion class, a hook up can leave both people so lonely after the event. The hook up had left the both of them longing for each other. Now that they met again, they are so happy.
E. One idea I can find in this chapter is the idea of expectation. There is expectation in the sole actions of Gatsby and Daisy. I think Gatsby is expecting the wrong things from Daisy. Daisy is just another girl, but Gatsby expects her to be this maiden from fairy tales. I think Gatsby expects too much which is why he is so nervous while their reunion at Nick’s house.
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Post by johnmarano on Mar 12, 2014 12:42:44 GMT -5
John Marano
English 11
Mr. Thomas
March 12
F. In my last discussion post, I explained my opinion on the relationship between Nick and the Gatsby. After this chapter I am sticking to my opinion on how the friendship isn’t genuine, but we do see that the Gatsby does care a little bit. He offers Nick an opportunity where he can make more money. So the Gatsby does try helping him out but he also seems to be just using him for Daisy and he seems to be constantly lying, like he is keeping secrets.
C. I kind of saw the money opportunity coming to Nick. Why does he refuse this offer? I mean who doesn’t want to make money and plus he doesn’t even know what he has to do yet. I don’t understand why he turns this down especially considering his place in the wealthy community could improve. Does this show how Nick truly doesn’t trust Jay? Is the Gatsby lying about how he attained his wealth? We see how Nick comes running down his throat claiming he had said that he inherited his money. Why is Daisy crying about the expensive clothing in Jays house? Its not like she is poor and has never seen such beautiful things! Her husband is a very wealthy guy so why does she cry at the beauty of the Gatsby’s items? Finally, what will happen between Gatsby and Daisy? Will there “relationship” take off?
B. I think the significance of this reading was when the Gatsby and Daisy are privately speaking and she begins to cry. I feel like this is important because this shows that she does have some feelings that she has been putting aside. It also reveals how Jay can bring out emotion in Daisy so there must be a lost connection coming back into play. This can also show how Daisy kind of wishes she had been with Jay from the beginning.
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Post by poulong15 on Mar 12, 2014 16:23:36 GMT -5
Gregory Poulon
English-11
Mr. Thomas
March 12, 2014
Chapter 5- The Great Gatsby
After reading chapter five, I get the impression that Gatsby is obviously trying to impress Daisy in front of Nick. He is always belittling Nick and this competitive aspect is going back and forth between the two men. The thing that is odd to me is that obviously the Gatsby is trying to make a move on Daisy, so why when Nick says for him to leave, the Gatsby insists on him staying. This was a little weird cause as you come to the end of the chapter you read about Gatsby and Daisy getting closer together.
As I read on in the chapter, a couple of points from the chapter confused me. First I did not understand who wanted Daisy over, cause all three of them start off in Nicks living room, but then they walk to the Gatsby’s house were she is clearly more amazed. Also, I did not get the part about why Gatsby send over his gardener to fix Nick’s lawn.
“ He hadn't once ceased looking at Daisy, and I think he revalued everything in his house according to the measure of response it drew from her well-loved eyes. Sometimes, too, he stared around at his possessions in a dazed way, as though in her actual and astounding presence none of it was any longer real. Once he nearly toppled down a flight of stairs.” This quote here is said by Nick and is rather ironic because it shows us what a real man Gatsby is not. He has this woman who is his crush, and he cannot even talk to her or even look at her as the quote says. This is contradicting everything that we see in the earlier chapters about the Gatsby. We can possibly see a theme, that this woman Daisy is changing the whole theme of the book now.
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Post by emmanuelluna on Mar 12, 2014 16:49:21 GMT -5
Emmanuel Luna
Mr. Thomas
English 11
3/12/14
E. Once again I question Gatsby and who he really is. He is clearly not who he wants us to believe he is and this is becoming more and more evident. When he and Nick are outside admiring his house he mentions that it took him “three years” to earn the money to make the house. Nick recalls that Gatsby had said before that he inherited the and when Nick brings up the fact Gatsby gets really defensive. This makes Gatsby an even more shady and untrustworthy character and just adds even more to his mystery. It is still unclear to me why he is so “great,” and maybe the only way we’ll know is when the truth is finally revealed.
D. Once again I continue to view Gatsby as an insecure person who only wants to get back together with Daisy and impress her. As Gatsby, Nick, and Daisy roam through Gatsby’s house it is obvious that all the beautiful, glamorous things in Gatsby’s house is all to impress Daisy. This once again brings up the idea that money can’t buy everything, which is clearly illustrated through Gatsby’s constant and desperate attempts to get back with Daisy and impress her.
C. I am still unclear and curious about whom Gatsby could really be. When they are roaming through his house they see a large picture of a man he claims to be “an old friend.” We find out that this man’s name is Dan Cody. Dan might be key to finding out about Gatsby’s real life and how he acquired the great wealth he has. But for now, it is still a mystery who Gatsby really is.
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Post by eointunney on Mar 12, 2014 18:44:43 GMT -5
Eoin Tunney
Mr. Thomas
English 11
12 March 2014
E. The scene where Gatsby is asking Nick if he wants to make some extra money in a side business is extremely weird. Gatsby never explains to Nick what the actual business is, but it has to be something crazy if it this “side job” paid for his huge house in only three years. Nick nearly catches Gatsby when he questions him about inheriting his money, but Gatsby quickly answers him in a suspicious tone. I feel Nick is actually very interested in being part of this side job because he is amazed at how wealthy Gatsby is, but the only thing stopping him is what the actual job is. Hopefully we’ll find out what the job is soon.
C. I was kind of confused when Daisy started crying after Gatsby was showing off all of his fancy shirts. I can understand that she was amazed at all of his stuff, but I can’t see why she would cry over it. The whole time they are in Gatsby’s house is very weird. I was surprised that Daisy was actually amazed at all this stuff because Gatsby is just showing his house off and making himself look like the richest man on earth.
D. Throughout the last few chapters Nick portrays Gatsby as this invincible character, but now he seems to be more human-like, especially when the situation involves Daisy. Before Daisy even gets to Nick’s house, Gatsby is getting stressed out that everything is going to be messed up. Daisy seems to be the one person that can make Gatsby seem like a normal person, instead of this wealthy guy protected in his huge house
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Post by frankclarke on Mar 12, 2014 19:25:37 GMT -5
Francis Paul Clarke Junior
Mr. Sean Thomas
English Eleven
12 March 2014
C. “Well, this would interest you. It wouldn’t take up much of your time and you might pick up a nice bit of money. It happens to be a rather confidential sort of things.” THIS IS CRAZY SUS. What the fudge is he asking here?? After this quote there is some debate, but not much. Nick quickly refuses the offer because he knows how absurdly sketchy it is. However, this doesn’t affect the way nick thinks about Gatsby. Why is this? He just offered up some extremely sketchy information about him, but Nick seems to play it off with ease. That’s pretty weird? Maybe? Maybe its going back to this weird admiration Nick sees in Gatsby so Gatsby can do no wrong.
E. We learn a couple of important themes to keep in mind for the rest of the book in this chapter. Firstly, we learn that Gatsby is truly in love with Daisy. And a magnificent love. An undying love. I have a feeling everyone of my peers will think that this love is weird and creepy and he’s talking her but my dude that’s the best kind of love! Especially when she likes you back, and in this scene its evident that she does. LOVE man its freaking awesome.
D. It’s pretty obvious that Gatsby still may be insecure. This is evident because when Nick agreed to invite Daisy he made his whole house radically different, especially the sacred grass! Also, when Daisy showed up he snuck out the back and opened the door, that was weird as heck. But as time progressed we see Gatsby actually putting on the moves and being cool about it, like they had just left off 5 years earlier. Love man
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Post by georgebaroudos on Mar 12, 2014 19:34:09 GMT -5
George Baroudos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
12 March 2014
A – I enjoy the fact that Gatsby goes against all of those rich stereotypes we have made of the community. I believe that possessions are not everything. There are so many things in this world that are much more important. It is hard to find these things, but they are there I know that. When Gatsby is looking at Daisy in his house all of those magnificent treasures he has in his house lose importance. Daisy becomes the main attraction essentially and that is God at work. All of these man made things are nothing to the powers of God. We should not only concern ourselves with material possessions, we must look at what God has given us. God has given us love and Gatsby realizes that.
D – “I looked once more at them and they looked back at me, remotely, possessed by intense life.” (96). This shows the power of God. Through all of the wealth and power on our world, God still has greater power then all of us. Wealth does not bring happiness. Only relying on wealth and material possessions forces us to miss the larger picture. We will never truly live life if all we care for is money. This is the trend of the people in West Egg and that is why they live miserable lives. I think this marks a turning point in Gatsby’s life. I believe this is essentially the spark up Gatsby needed to start living. We only have one life to live, why not make the best of it?
I – FINALLY Nick stands up to Gatsby. Gatsby has been perfect in Nick’s eyes and it is annoying. Nobody on this Earth is perfect and it was bothering me that Gatsby was so perfect. In this case Nick is honest, Nick sees Gatsby acting like a little boy and says something. Nick calls Gatsby out on his rudeness. These aren’t just thoughts anymore, Nick is actually saying how he feels. This has not been a common trend within the novel because everyone is fake. Nick finally stands up for what he believes in. This goes against the societal beliefs and this essentially is a sign of hope. So many people see Gatsby as perfect, no one is perfect and everyone needs constructive criticism.
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Post by Sgarlato on Mar 12, 2014 19:53:31 GMT -5
Stephen Sgarlato
Mr. Thomas
English 11
3/12/14
A. The beginning of the book is kind of strange because Gatsby has taken his obsession of Daisy to another level. He starts by inviting Nick to Coney Island to discuss his plan for Daisy and then invites him back to his house to go to the pool. Once Nick agrees to this plan Gatsby gets overjoyed and offers someone to cut Nicks grass which is kind of strange. And also when Nick brings Daisy over to Gatsby’s house he isn’t there.
I. To answer Eoin Tunney’s question about why Daisy cried when Gatsby showed her the shirts was because maybe she is jealous or disappointed that her life isn’t as lavish as his. I don’t think Gatsby really understands why she cries either but she does and this is something they have to figure out.
C. Why at the beginning of the book does Gatsby invite Nick to Coney Island? Like I know that he wanted to convince him to join the plan for Daisy but why couldn’t he just tell him in his house. It just seems strange to me about how Gatsby handles situations.
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Post by johnrice on Mar 12, 2014 20:53:57 GMT -5
John Rice
Mr. Thomas
English 11
March 12, 2014
Discussion Board
F. I would like to comment on the affect Daisy has on Jay Gatsby. We understand Gatsby to be this calm, elegant figure that quitely and intensively observes life around him. We havent seen him go into a panic mode yet. His house was on fire and he wanted to swimming. His house becomes a zoo during insane parties and he just sits and observes. All his motions and actions are calculated and carried out with purpose. All of this has lead up to the first meeting of Daisy in "five year this November" (to further prove is instense observation skills and/or his obsession with Daisy). At Nicks place Jay is going crazy. He is freaking out, and cant hold himself together. Honestly he doesnt know what to do with himself. He runs out the back door, and furthermore endures a painfully awkward time at Nick's house. THis start getting alot better when the reach the Gatsby residence but it proves what kind of affect Daisy has on Jay.
C. I do have many questions regarding the conversation at 2 am between Nick and Jay. This was really shady, and it seemed like Jay was trying to get Nick to do his dirty work for him. Nick abruptly cuts off Jay sensing that a favor of labor was about to be asked. This abrupt interruption and ending of the conversation suggests that more of this will return later in the book. I was wondering although Jay states this business has nothing to do with that shady guy they met for lunch in the city, I feel like it does have something to do with him. I also feel like it is merely coincidental that he "has the in with cops" and it seems like he could potentially be involved in organized crime. Paying off cops? Corruption? All pretty valid questions for the time being I think. Only time will tell as I continue reading. I really wonder what Jay Gatsby does to make his boatload of money.
D. "Daisy’s face was smeared with tears, and when I came in she jumped up and began wiping at it with her handkerchief before a mirror. But there was a change in Gatsby that was simply confounding. He literally glowed; without a word or a gesture of exultation a new well-being radiated from him and filled the little room." Just for a second we saw a break in Jay Gatsby's character. THis smooth, observant, suave, handsome, rich guy was frazzled, and in a state of panic. He was embarrassed, and enduring the most awkward moment of his life. After Nick leaves and comes back, the break in Jay's character is finished and he is glowing. He is back to himself. This makes me believe that Daisy has a way of letting Jay bring his walls down, and become vulnerable.
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Post by matthewchan on Mar 12, 2014 20:59:48 GMT -5
Matthew Chan
Mr. Thomas
English 11
3/12/14
A. We see again in this chapter that Gatsby is using the power of his wealth to win Daisy over. He shows Daisy his extensive collection of British antiques and takes her on a tour of his wardrobe. This shows us that Gatsby likes to use his wealth and does everything and anything to be together with her. We see this a lot in today's society where some people try to impress others with money. Some are rich while some pretend to be rich.
C. What role does Nick play in this chapter? It seems like he is being used in the beginning of the chapter. Gatsby asks him where he wants to go just so he can meet up with Daisy as well. Does he care about Nick as a person or is he just using him.
E. I really enjoy the song in the chapter. "In the morning, in the evening, ain't we got fun" says a lot because the couple tries to be with each other both day and night. Sometimes, we tend to forget that Daisy is already married but her relationship might not be strong anymore. It seems like these two were meant to be with each other since the first time they both met.
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Post by bourdonm15 on Mar 12, 2014 21:13:24 GMT -5
Matthew Bourdon
Mr. Thomas
English 11
3/12/14
B. As was mentioned before in the last class discussion, the relationship between Gatsby and Nick is not genuine. We are now seeing that Gatsby is just using Nick to get to his ultimate goal which is to see and be with Daisy again. “He waited looking at me with suppressed eagerness.” (Page 82) The quote is explaining how once Nick saw Gatsby, Gatsby offered to go to Coney Island with him and then also proposed a “plunge” in the swimming pool. Gatsby was waiting for Nick’s answer as to if he was going to go with him. He is showering him with all this kindness and trying to make him very happy and delighted with him just so that Nick can say yes to Gatsby’s proposal. The ultimate goal for Gatsby is ultimately to be with Daisy and Nick is just a gateway for this.
F. Gatsby is a pretty suspicious guy and I am getting the feeling that he does malfeasant activity. He asks Nick, after he is delighted with Nick accepting to gather him and Daisy, to join him with a “side job” that he has. “I thought you didn’t if you’ll pardon my – you see, I carry on a little business on the side, a sort of side line, you understand.” (Page 82) We will only get the truth out in further chapters but I have a weird feeling as to how Gatsby is so wealthy.
I. I agree with John’s comment on Daisy and Gatsby. The meeting was very emotional and mawkish but we can infer that Daisy still has some feelings for Gatsby. She is also astounded by the amount of wealth he has and the lifestyle he lives.
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Post by danokeefe15 on Mar 12, 2014 21:19:03 GMT -5
Danny O’Keefe
Mr. Thomas
English 11
12 March 2014
C. What I don’t understand is when Nick is talking about how Gatsby and Daisy’s relationship is going to be and he says that he doesn’t think that Daisy is going to be everything that Gatsby thinks she will be and that he is a little skeptical about it. What I don’t understand is why he thinks this, he really doesn’t tell us his reasoning for this he just states it.
E. What came to mind when reading this chapter was what if Gatsby did have a big party and Daisy just so happened to show up what would Gatsby’s reaction be and what would he do. Since before Daisy came into Nick’s house he was so scared he had to take a lap around the house in the pouring rain and then when he finally sees her they barely talk, I just think it would be interesting to see them meet in a different situation.
D. "If it wasn't for the mist we could see your home across the bay," said Gatsby. "You always have a green light that burns all night at the end of your dock." Daisy put her arm through his abruptly, but he seemed absorbed in what he had just said. Possibly it had occurred to him that the colossal significance of that light had now vanished forever. Compared to the great distance that had separated him from Daisy it had seemed very near to her, almost touching her. It had seemed as close as a star to the moon. Now it was again a green light on a dock. His count of enchanted objects had diminished by one.” I liked this quote because I find it weird at how Daisy didn’t care that Gatsby has been pretty much stalking her and staring at the green light on her dock for a couple years and also when he talks about the significance of the light and how for so long it meant everything to him and how in just a couple of hours after finally meeting Daisy it now means nothing and that once you have what you wanted all your life its value can be lost.
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Post by epoccia on Mar 12, 2014 22:13:30 GMT -5
Eddie Poccia
Mr. Thomas
English 11
3/12/14
The Great Gatsby Chapter 5
I thought it was strange when Gatsby decided to disappear right before Daisy arrived at Nick's house. He decided to take a walk around the house in the rain, which is kind of creepy. I wouldn't think he would do this because he was so excited to see Daisy in the first place.
I also found it very strange when Gatsby called that guy Klipspringer in to play the piano for them. It wasn't clear to me who he was or why he was in Gatby's house. I thought that the entire time they spent in Gatsby's house was very strange. Daisy cried when she saw his shirts and they basically looked at all of Gatsby's possessions.
In theis chapter we learn a little bit more about Gatsby. he tries to repay Nick when he agrees to go through with the plan to meet Daisy. This shows that he is a man that gives back when something is given to him. He also gets nervous when Daisy is about to come to Nick's house and this shows that he is not as perfect as Nick says he is.
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Post by matthewsegarra on Mar 12, 2014 22:57:11 GMT -5
Matthew Segarra
Mr. Thomas
English 11
3/12/14
C. In this chapter we see Nick and Gatsby reach a high poimt in their relationship. Their relationship is very questionable however. Is it possible that he may just be getting closer to Nick to get closer to Daisy? Or does he have a genuine relationship with Nick? We know that Gatsby is smitten with Daisy and is trying to get with her. Maybe he is trying to get Nick to put in a good word. Maybe it is both, he likes Nick and is trying to get to Daisy at the same time.
A.In this chapter we can see that Gatsby is stuck in the past. He relives the times he was with Daisy and wishes he can go back and stop time. Nick says that he acts like a little boy, which he does. When he is near Daisy he gets shy and awkward, like a little bpy would in front of his crush.
D. Gatsby is described as a "running down like an over-wound clock. This signifies both Gatsby's yearning to stop time and his inability to do so. He has been through so much he is trying to wind the clock back and relive his life the way he wanted it to be. His main reason he wants to go back in time is because of Daisy.
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