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Post by Mr. Thomas on Mar 19, 2014 8:43:13 GMT -5
(some) Mysteries unraveled...
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Post by johnmarano on Mar 19, 2014 16:28:44 GMT -5
John Marano
Mr. Thomas
English 11
March 19, 2014
B. As insignificant as it may seem, I felt the importance of the reading was finding out what happened in his past when he “worked” for Dan Cody. We learn that Gatsby almost takes a vow of temperance because of his past. I thought this was important because it seems that Gatsby cant escape from his past life. This is certainly a case and even with Daisy. It appears that Gatsby is having a hard time moving on from old experiences. I thought this was so important because it could essentially be the reason he is telling all these lies and keeping all these secrets.
C. I really enjoyed this chapter because we finally learned the truth about Gatsby but why was he lying from the beginning? Why did he say he was inherently rich? It would probably make him appear better if people had known he went from rags to riches. Also in the chapter why does the Gatsby let Tom into his house? I feel like he is just bringing a negative attitude that is affecting others and plus he doesn’t even like Gatsby so why is he there?
D. A quote that really stood out to me was when Nick kind of understands what Gatsby wants. It is a little strange because again we see how Gatsby is still living in the past and is still planning on “changing in.” “He wanted nothing less of Daisy than that she should go to Tom and say: ‘I never loved you’.” For Nick to be saying this means something because the Gatsby himself is a puzzle and Nick is almost solving him. He is able to see the feelings Gatsby has and he is also able to see that he can’t escape his past. In every chapter Gatsby has been in control. We are beginning to see a little weakness.
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Post by frankclarke on Mar 19, 2014 18:07:20 GMT -5
Francis Paul Clarke Junior
Mr. Sean Thomas
English 11
19 March 2014
B. Well, here it is! It’s what we’ve been waiting for, for so long, the truth about Gatsby! We learn that Gatsby’s true name is James Gatz, who was not born into money, in any sense of the phrase. He grew up poor as can be, and met Dan Cody. He gave himself a fake name and a fake identity; he’s denying his true identity, just as many of us do today. As Fitzgerald even says, “that a seventeen year old boy would like to invent.” Evidently, in this culture it’s easier to pretend to be someone you’re not, and we see here that Gatsby has done just that. And in some sense it hasn’t paid off, he has no true close friends and his entire life revolves around Daisy (just as my short story’s theme!)
D. On page 101 to 102 we see a short exchange between Tom and Gatsby, and it’s hilarious. We see Gatsby being a little awkward at first being around Tom, but after a short while he gets aggressive and says: “I know your wife.” almost implying that they’re screwing around (well we know that they are but he’s putting it out there for Tom to know) This pretty much starts the feud between Tom and Gatsby, and is an essential scene for the rest of the book’s events to unfold.
C. With Gatsby’s true identity revealed, there are many questions that come along with it. Why did Gatsby say he was always rich? Why would he be embarrassed to be brought up in a poor family and eventually found his way? Is it because of the shady business we suspect him to run? (After offering Nick a shady job)
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Post by bourdonm15 on Mar 19, 2014 18:31:08 GMT -5
Matthew Bourdon
Mr. Thomas
English 11
3/19/14
B. I think I see and I predict a foreshadowing that Tom makes about Gatsby’s real job. “Some big bootlegger? Where did you hear that? , I inquired. I didn’t hear it. I just imagined it. A lot of these newly rich people are just big bootleggers, you know.” (Page 107) From the information we received before about Gatsby’s real origins and how he did not want to tell Nick about his “side job” this just seems inevitable. It seems as if Gatsby is hiding to much to not think this way. Ultimately, both Nick and Daisy’s reactions are very defensive of Gatsby when they do not even know much about him.
C. Why was Tom at Gatsby’s house? “There was a party of three on horseback – Tom and a man named Sloane and a pretty woman in a brown riding habit, who had been there previously.” (Page 101) There has to be some type of reasoning behind Gatsby allowing Tom into his house when he clearly does not like the guy. We also see that Tom starts to get his suspicions, like everyone else, on Gatsby and why Daisy is so attached to him all the time. I feel like we will not find out the complete truth about Gatsby until the very end with the way this is going.
I. I agree with John’s comment on seeing Gatsby weakness. Daisy is clearly Gatsby’s weakness and he wants to do everything under his power to get her to be with him once again.
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Post by danokeefe15 on Mar 19, 2014 19:25:53 GMT -5
Danny O’Keefe
Mr. Thomas
English 11
19 March 2014
B. I thought that Gatsby speaking about his life before the wealth and who he actually was and came from was important to his character because it says allot about who he is. although he lied about inheriting money from family and other things he decides to tell Nick the truth which I think is important because it looks like Gatsby didn’t really trust allot of people and for him to trust someone enough to tell the truth is pretty interesting and through this we could also see Daisy’s impact on Gatsby because since they met he is beginning to change.
C. what confused me or what I want to know is how Gatsby began to get his money since he didn’t get anything when Dan Cody died so where did he start when he got his money and why is the money that he earns now unknown or doubted. For example Tom spoke about he doesn’t earn his money truthfully and all this other stuff and then Daisy says he owns a series of drugstores, but why does Tom think that Gatsby is lying.
E. At the end of Chapter 6 Gatsby talks to Nick about how he plans on getting Daisy back and away from Tom and Nick says that you can’t redo the past, but Gatsby thinks otherwise. Gatsby pretty much plans on getting her back using his money and his success and through other plans, then Nick goes onto talk about how now that he has Daisy his dream is almost coming to an end and it reminded me of something that I wrote about in one of my past discussions about the green light at the end of the dock and how this will effect Gatsby and the rest of the story.
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Post by eointunney on Mar 19, 2014 20:17:28 GMT -5
Eoin Tunney
Mr. Thomas
English 11
19 March 2014
E. This whole chapter was extremely interesting, especially since it revealed the truth of who Gatsby really is, and also included Tom and Gatsby seriously meeting for the first time. I wasn’t really expecting to find out about Gatsby’s past from Nick. I thought that there would be a chapter where Gatsby tells Nick who he really is. It was interesting to see that Gatsby has been lying to everyone the whole time, and to find out that Jay Gatsby isn’t his real name was pretty crazy. I also was surprised that Gatsby grew up poor and that he only inherited 25 grand from his best friend, which makes me really wonder what business he is in now.
D. Once I saw in the chapter that Gatsby and Tom were meeting I knew that it was going to be an extremely weird meeting. Gatsby actually says to Tom “I know your wife.” I thought this was pretty funny because I really didn’t expect Gatsby to say something like that. If anything I feel Tom would be the one to say something like that. From this scene we see that Tom already hates Gatsby and wants to find out everything about his life.
B. In this chapter we see Daisy doesn’t really care what Tom does anymore and really just wants to be with Gatsby. We see her give him her gold pen so he could get some of the women’s details, which really shows that she has just given up on Tom and is ready to leave. We also see that the only time Daisy enjoys herself at the party is when she is alone with Gatsby on Nick’s steps.
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Post by georgebaroudos on Mar 19, 2014 20:59:40 GMT -5
George Baroudos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
19 March 2014
A – The fact that Gatsby (or Gatz) had a motivation to succeed is inspiring. I think this is a beautiful chain in all honesty. Even those highest in society still have a role model they aspire to be. This chain shows how one can have an impact on a life without even knowing it. In all honesty if we set a goal we will attain it. If we believe we will do anything to achieve that goal we will achieve it. I think that Gatsby set another goal in rekindling that relationship with Daisy. I genuinely believe if he wants it bad enough he will accomplish that goal.
D – “Bringing out a meaning in each word that it had never had before and would never have again.” (108). I appreciate this quote greatly. At the end of the day meaning is imperative to life. We assign meaning to different things and they do not always make sense to others, but it makes sense to us. The fact that within this society words have meaning shows me hope for them. We have been under the impression that words have no meaning within this society whatsoever. Liars and cons surround them, but this is a big step within the novel. A character is revealed that does not embody these stereotypes.
I – Gatsby in many senses shows his true colors in this chapter. Gatsby has been living behind a hidden identity since he is a teenager. This is not fair to Nick in my opinion. Furthermore he wishes badly upon Tom and I do not like that at all. He wishes Tom would say I never loved Daisy. This is horrible and no one should have that wished upon them. Gatsby is ultimately afraid of leaving the past. The whole thing with the time machine is actually very cool and it makes us think. Gatsby also believes money buys happiness and I do not agree. The fact that he is a bootlegger also bothers me because he created this false impression. I’m not sure how much I like Jay anymore, but hopefully we get answers.
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Post by Sgarlato on Mar 19, 2014 22:20:51 GMT -5
Stephen Sgarlato
Mr. Thomas
English 11
3/19/14
A. We seem to learn a little bit more about Gatsby in this chapter, like what is birth name is, where he went to school etc. I like this part because Gatsby seems more mysterious as it goes on. Like how we learned he was involved in previous jobs. This character seems important because well one he is the focus of the story but also because it gives the reader more interest. We want to learn how many more secrets Gatsby has.
C. What I don’t understand is why Tom has such a problem with Gatsby. Like what is that about. Right when he gets to the party he seems to have this hate for Gatsby and feels the need to watch over Daisy. Then Tom tries to talk badly about Gatsby and says that he gets all his money from illegal affairs. Daisy protects him in a way.
I. To elaborate on Danny O’Keefe’s question I would say that Tom talks badly about Gatsby to make him seem bad for Daisy. He already has a bad feeling from Gatsby so now he just goes out of way to make him seem like a bad guy.
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Post by fotia15 on Mar 19, 2014 23:41:35 GMT -5
a. Finding out that Gastby's past was all a lie was far from surprising. But what was surprising was the way he grew from his former life. He was lucky to have met Jay, and have him teach him his ways. Its cool to see how his life kind of grew to this place. He was actually left broke for twice, but then he winds up the way he is.
I. John, He lied in the beginning because he wanted people to think highly of him at everything he did. He doesnt want people to learn about this work, he didnt want people to know his past. His past was kept a secrets as a front. Wouldnt you create your own past if you had the opportunity to?
e. Tom is on to Gatsby. He calls him a bootlegger, because he came up out of no where. I just think its weird how they are both in love with daisy, and both have conflicting opinions of each other while never really getting to know each other.
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Post by rodriguezj15 on Mar 20, 2014 0:54:43 GMT -5
Joel Rodriguez Mr. Thomas English 11 March 20, 2014 The Great Gatsby #6
I. To answer John and Frank’s questions, Gatsby was sort of embarrassed of his past or ashamed of it. On page 101, Nick says, “He was left with his singularly appropriate education; the vague contour of Jay Gatsby had filled out to the substantiality of a man.” This means when Dan Cody died so did James Gatz. Gatsby was re-birthed and did everything in his power to leave his old life behind and get this life of wealth that he ambitious about. Also it goes back to Nick’s quote about Americans willing to be serfs, but being obstinate about being peasants. Gatsby was a janitor and lived on a farm in North Dakota. He was willing to work for his current wealth but would never tell anybody about the poor life he lived. A. Gatsby’s character because very relatable in this chapter of the book. Before this chapter Gatsby was a God-like figure, which made him distant. But now that we know the truth about Gatsby, he is just as normal as Nick. Gatsby was just very ambitious growing up and he was devoted to living out his fantasy of living rich. I feel the same way as seventeen-year old Gatsby. D. This theme of the past coming back reoccurs in this chapter. In the first half of chapter 6 Gatsby tries to erase the life of James Gatz from existence. But in the second half of this chapter, at the party, Gatsby tries to preserve his past (Holden-like), the one that he had with Daisy. He embraces this, and on page 110 it is even personified. |
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Post by epoccia on Mar 20, 2014 21:43:30 GMT -5
Eddie Poccia
English 11
Mr. Thomas
3/20/14
The Great Gatsby Chapter 6
The rivalry between the East Egg and the West Egg can be clearly seen in this chapter. The members of the West Egg, such as Tom, look down on members of the East Egg, like Gatsby. They believe that all members of the East Egg obtained their money through illegal means and didn't work hard for it. Tom also calls Gatsby a "Bootlegger" to mock him.
It is clear that Tom treats Daisy as just another one of his possessions. Tom sleeps with anyone he wants whenever he wants, but when Daisy even looks at Gatsby he gets angry and defensive of her. This must be the reason why Tom came to the party in the first place. He must have been suspicious of something going on between Daisy and Gatsby and he wanted to keep an eye on her.
The bond between Gatsby and Nick is getting stronger because Gatsby is beginning to reveal all of his secrets to Nick. In this chapter, Gatsby shares his backstory with Nick and how he was a poor farmer from North Dakota. This relationship can be compared to the relationship of Huck Finn and Jim. In both of these relationships, they had to get used to each other but eventually came to trust one another.
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