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Post by Mr. Thomas on Mar 21, 2014 13:41:09 GMT -5
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Post by 1adams12 on Mar 23, 2014 15:40:06 GMT -5
Michael Adams
3/23/14
C. The one thing I did not understand is the fact that I did not understand why Mr. Gatsby fired all his servants. Is this because he wants to impress Daisy and show her that he can handle himself and does not need the fact that he needs servants to help him out? The lines that I am referring to are the lines of "I hear you fired all of your servants" (Page 114). Could this just be a rumor or could it be the fact that he actually did fire the slaves? Is it because Daisy is going to help him with all of his chores? Is Mr. Gatsby going to move into Daisy's house or is she going to move into hers? What is going on here?
A. The one thing that came to mind when I was reading this chapter is the fact that they smoked when they were at the picnic. The reason why I thought about this line is simply because during that age, people who lived in that age thought that it was common and good to smoke. Now that they did a lot of research on it, smoking is really bad and not healthy for you. The lines that I am talking about are on page 119 and the line that I am referring to is "Aren't we going to let any one smoke a cigarette first? Everybody smoked all through lunch." Many people during this time period smoked cigarettes and now that you know the smoking is bad for you and unhealthy for you, people started to decrease smoking or just stopped smoking.
D. The one thing that I thought was hilarious was the fact that Tom was going to take Daisy "in this circus wagon" (page 121). The one thing that I thought was hilarious about this was the fact that Tom originally hated Gatsby, but wants to take Daisy in Gatsby's car. This is because he is demeaning Gatsby and also trying to get Daisy to like Tom and not Gatsby. He is trying to show Daisy that he is better than Gatsby and that he also is more better than Gatsby because of the car situation.
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Post by eointunney on Mar 23, 2014 16:19:59 GMT -5
Eoin Tunney
Mr. Thomas
English 11
23 March 2014
E. This chapter is easily the best chapter of this novel, and I don’t see how the next few chapters can top it. The chapter was full of action and surprising events, which all ended up in making Tom’s life even worse. First off Daisy tells him that she loves Gatsby and is going to leave Tom. Then on the way home from the city he sees that his mistress Mrs. Wilson was just killed by a hit and run, which was Daisy’s fault. All in a matter of a few hours Tom loses both his wife and mistress. The one thing I’m surprised about is that Tom didn’t kill Gatsby in the hotel room. He seemed calmer than usual, which I feel isn’t a good thing for Gatsby.
D. Also in this chapter we find out that Gatsby is actually a bootlegger, which means that he sells alcohol illegally; but this is only one of his very small side jobs. We find this out though Tom, who has been doing secret investigations on Gatsby to find out who he really is. Selling alcohol is only a small job for Gatsby, which is gives him some extra pocket change. Tom also mentions that he is going to find out what Gatsby’s big job is, and the reason why he hasn’t yet is because Tom’s friend Walter Chase is too scared to tell.
C. The very end of the chapter is extremely confusing because we see Tom and Daisy holding each other in the kitchen. I was surprised to read about this because of everything that happened in the hotel just a few hours before. It seems to me that Tom has broken out of his tough guy mindset and broken down to a defenseless man. I’m not really sure what is happening in the end, but does anyone know what is happening between Tom and Daisy?
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Post by emmanuelluna on Mar 23, 2014 18:05:27 GMT -5
Emmanuel Luna
Mr. Thomas
English 11
3/21/14
E. This was a great chapter full of many important events that will affect the next few chapters drastically. First we find out that Gatsby is in fact a bootlegger, but that it is not his main source of income. We also find out that Tom has been looking into Gatsby’s past as he often tries to expose and make him look bad in front of Daisy. One such moment was when he says that he never actually went to Oxford and Gatsby replies by saying that he did, but only for a few months. He then brings up the fact that he’s a bootlegger, which Gatsby acknowledges in a cool way.
D. I also really liked this chapter because Tom finally gets what he had coming to him. First he finds out that Daisy is having an affair with Gatsby. Also she tells him that she is going to leave him and will go with Gatsby. Also we find out that Tom’s mistress, Myrtle, has been hit by a car and died. It turns out that Daisy was the one to run her over and leave her behind. Tom got what was coming to him because he loses his mistress and his wife all in one day.
C. One quote that stood out to me was when Daisy said, “What’ll we do with ourselves this afternoon? And the day after that, and the next thirty years?” This quote brings up a very important idea of what life might have in store for us and how things are never predetermined. This is why this quote really stood out to me and I thought was important.
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Post by fotia15 on Mar 23, 2014 19:11:31 GMT -5
a. This chapter was absolutely insane, soo much shit hit the fan. when im say shit im mean women struck by car kind shit. And a lot of yelling and arguing about who loves who. Awesome chapter written excellently. Gatsby showome big ass sed alot of his true colors. You see him kind of loose his mind for a second. Practically the most venerable moments i have to say for him.
E. when tom says "some bootlegger" I was like OOOOOOHHHH SHIT!! Gatsby is caught. when i read it and when i saw it in the moives i was like damn he got them. Im not on toms side but i do agree that gatbsy is one of those people that want what they cant have. Now that shes not his he cant deal with the thought of her being with someone else. "i didnt hear it. I imagined it. Alot of these newly rich people are just big bootleggers. you know" he took gatsby said you were broke and now your just fake and meaningless.
c. I want to know what the deal is with daisy. she rides home with gatsby yet hold toms hand. LIKE WHAT ARE YOU DOING STUPID HEAD!!! The ending of this all confuses me. like i dont understand it. Honestly i wish that every one just left daisy alone.
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Post by danokeefe15 on Mar 23, 2014 20:35:35 GMT -5
Danny O'Keefe
Mr. Thomas
English 11
23 March 2014
C. In the earlier chapters I got the feeling that Tom and Daisy didnt really like eachother or at least Tom didn't like Daisy and that the only person that Tom wanted to be with was Myrtle and now that he sees that Gatsby and Daisy are getting close he starts to care about Daisy, which confuses me. This could have been better for Tom if they were together because then he could be with Myrtle and everyone would get what they wanted. I know it wouldn't have worked out because Myrtle died, but what was his motivation before Tom found out about it and why is Daisy so important to him?
E. The biggest loser in this Chapter to me would be Tom because he lost two people that he loved. Although you would think that Gatsby is is losing everything that he ever wanted and thats Daisy, but Tom is losing both Daisy and Myrtle and he knows it. Thats why I also think that he is starting all this drama, he knows that he's losing and he can't stand to see himself alone and a loser and that is why he is now fighting over Daisy and trying to ruin Gatsby.
B. what i found important and interesting is that when Tom and Gatsby are arguing and Gatsby tells Daisy to tell Tom that she doesn't love she cant do it. She realizes that it isnt true and that she doesn't know who is better for her after hearing all that Tom said about Gatsby and i think that this is going to play an important part later on in the story.
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Post by georgebaroudos on Mar 23, 2014 21:29:30 GMT -5
George Baroudos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
22 March 2014
A – As humans we are all creatures of habit. That is why we are often afraid of change. I do find it admirable that Gatsby will change his lifestyle for another person. I think that Gatsby genuinely loves Daisy. This is the first sign of genuineness I think considering he’s been mostly fake the whole novel. I’m not sure how this will fair Jay because he is taking on a whole new persona. It is difficult to change and I am not sure if Jay has it in him. But I think Daisy serves as his motivation and he will.
D –“Rich people-they can’t say anything directly.” This is an instance of that attack on consumers. This is an attack at those big corporations that in many ways ruin the country we live in. It is a stereotype that all rich people are liars. I do not believe so, but I believe a large majority is. This is shown within the book. Fake people surround them and this perception is made true to them. It is difficult for them to change their outlook. Like I said we are all afraid of change. We are afraid to go out of our comfort.
I – Throughout the novel we have seen Nick kissing up to Gatsby and ultimately becoming Gatsby’s errand boy. Finally we see Nick stand up for himself. I think Gatsby is turning off Nick rapidly and it is turning out badly for Gatsby. I do not think it was Gatsby’s intention to rely on Nick, but he has grown a reliance on Nick because I do think Nick is genuine and stands up for what he believes in. The secrets of Gatsby are a hard thing to deal with and Nick is fed up, but I cannot blame him.
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Post by bourdonm15 on Mar 23, 2014 22:05:39 GMT -5
Matthew Bourdon
Mr. Thomas
English 11
3/23/14
C. What was the point of Gatsby firing all of his servants to hire ones that are from Wolfsheim? “They’re some people Wolfsheim wanted to do something for. They’re all brothers and sisters. They used to run a small hotel.” (Page 114) Gatsby is setting himself up for failure by bringing in people that work for a shady person like Wolfsheim. He wanted to prevent gossip but if offered money these new people he put in replacement of the old would give away information about him as well. I don’t necessarily understand Gatsby’s frame of thought for replacing his servants with more “shady” ones.
B. The confrontation between Tom and Gatsby gets through in a quarrel between the two but does have two consequences: the killing of Myrtle and Daisy becoming more in love with Tom and the two reconciling their differences. “Even alone I can’t say I never loved Tom, she admitted in a pitiful voice. It wouldn’t be true.” (Page 133) This really hurts Gatsby’s chances of ever being able to get back with Daisy with her saying that she wants to be with Tom not Gatsby. It’s also good for Gatsby to see that money, and his vision of the past is not going to lure anyone specifically Daisy back to him.
I. I agree with Emmanuel’s comment about the chapter. It was a very informative and insightful chapter in which we learned things like Gatsby is a bootlegger and his hope of being with Daisy is over.
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Post by epoccia on Mar 23, 2014 22:18:08 GMT -5
Eddie Poccia
Mr. Thomas
English 11
23 March 2014
I really didn't understand why Tom would allow Gatsby to ride alone with Daisy in his car. He obviously knows that there is something going on between them but he just lets it all happen. If he really wanted to do something about Daisy and Gatsby, he would have gone to the city in the same car as them.
I think that Daisy has to make up her mind about who she likes. One day she is in love with Gatsby and the next day she is in love with Tom. I don't know how she can forgive Tom, though, after all the things he has done to her.
In this chapter, Tome loses both his wife to Gatsby and his mistress gets hit by a car that was being driven by his wife. I don't think his life could get much worse at this point. I think he deserves it though because he has been a terrible husband.
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Post by johnmarano on Mar 23, 2014 22:26:23 GMT -5
John Marano
Mr. Thomas
English 11
March 23, 2014
B. I think the significance of the chapter was when Daisy just goes and sides with Tom against Jay. I was so mad about that. I felt this held great importance because it makes me believe Daisy doesn’t have those genuine feelings she claims she does. Tom is literally an abuser and she still takes his side. Jay does nothing but try to love her yet gets abused. It goes to show how the good get the bad end of the draw.
C. This has been the best chapter yet but has left me somewhat bewildered. I was so shocked at Daisy! Why is she completely going against Jay and siding with her cheating husband? She knows she loves Jay yet she flagrantly lies in front of everyone. Also, was Jay behind the wheel of his car? I really don’t think so but he was so angry considering what had just happened. He could have done something wrong out of anger. Finally, what is so important that Nick realizes it’s his birthday in all of this commotion? I just felt it was so random. Is there any meaning behind this?
D. One quote I would like to point out was when Tom was yelling at himself and saying “self control… I suppose the latest thing is to sit back and let Mr. Nobody from Nowhere make love to your wife.” I found this quote absolutely intriguing. Tom is finally getting a taste of his own medicine. He is realizing that he is losing his wife to Gatsby and he makes a huge deal but doesn’t take into account that he is a terrible husband. Tom used to cheat and is now being cheated on and can’t take it. I was happy Tom could feel some pain. He deserves it considering he brings pain to all people around him.
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Post by Sgarlato on Mar 23, 2014 22:39:33 GMT -5
Stephen Sgarlato
Mr. Thomas
English 11
3/23/14
A. So they kind of explain what these parties are for. They say that they are to lure Daisy to Gatsby. I found it funny how Gatsby fired his workers to stop the gossip about him. I loved when Gatsby finally sees Daisy’s child and gets totally turned off by it. Maybe this will change his interest in her or maybe it will entice him even more.
I. To answer Bourdon’s question about why Gatsby would fire his servants to hire Wolfsheim’s guys I would say it’s because he didn’t want his servants talking badly about him anymore. His own guys were gossiping about him and I guess he didn’t want that spreading around to Daisy or his other friends.
C. I’m confused about why Tom is trying to start something with Gatsby, like he starts to mess with him about going to Oxford and Gatsby gets upset. What does Tom have with Gatsby that annoys him so much? Also, why is Gatsby saying that Daisy loves him and not Tom like whose he to say that. He is getting too obsessive.
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Post by djmat on Mar 23, 2014 23:00:20 GMT -5
Osman Mat
Mr. Thomas
English 11
22 March 2014
I. To answer Mikes question about why Gatsby fired his servants, it was because he did not want servant in the house that would gossip about what was happening in his home especially with the affair he was having with Daisy. With new servants Daisy coming over the house on a regular basis would be considered normal. That is why he hired a bunch of new ones after he first all the ones he had.
A. We kind of see that things are playing out badly for Gatsby. His plan for Daisy to tell Tom she never loved him did not go exactly as planned. I do not think things are going to go well for Gatsby. He is willing to take the blame for Daisy hitting Myrtle and he will definitely go to jail for that. It seems like this is playing out better for Tom than it does Gatsby which is weird because from the beginning i have kind of seen Tom as the bad guy not Gatsby. I do not think Daisy is really worth going to jail for in all honesty.
C. I am a bit confused as to why it was important to include that it was Nick's birthday. I have been thinking about it and the only thing that I can think of is that Nick has been caught up with the Gatsby and Daisy affair that his birthday completely slipped him mind. But that still does not seem a good reason to forget your own birthday.
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