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Post by Mr. Thomas on May 7, 2014 11:52:43 GMT -5
"Thou hast practiced on her with foul charms."
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Post by johnmarano on May 7, 2014 18:29:08 GMT -5
John Marano
Mr. Thomas
English 11
B. I really enjoy where the plot is leading us especially where we begin to learn of the Duke and the situations occurring, but I felt that the most important thing from today's reading and discussion was learning of the personality of Othello. I thought this was so important because as elected officials threaten Othello, he remains calm and even answers with satire. I believe this is very important because it kind of provides a sense of direction for a reader. Now I feel like the actions of Othello will be more understandable now that I know of his sarcastic personality. Aside learning this, I also felt that Othello is absolutely fearless. He shows no fear when he is basically going to be imprisoned. This goes to show that Othello, even though he was black, didn't feel like whites had power over him.
E. I would like to state my opinion on the relationship between Rodrigo and Brabantio. I really am unclear of the entire "friendship." I mean at first it is obviously evident that Brabantio doesn't consider Rodrigo a friend in any aspect. He actually usually tries to ignore him or even have him escorted away by guards. Now that Rodrigo has brought this news of his daughter, will the relationship actually form? I feel like this relationship will grow to be something because they both have a vendetta on Othello. I wonder if the both of them will plan something together to finally go after Othello.
C. I didn't have to much confusion, just some questions on how the play will play out. I don't understand the purpose of reaching out to the Duke. Aren't there bigger problems??? SUCH AS THIS WHOLE NAVAL ISSUE! I dont understand why Brabantio and his little posy of officials take Othello away themselves. I feel like getting the Duke involved is so unnecessary. Also, why does Othello have no fear when he knows he could be arrested? I love his intrepid character but I don't think things will work out in his favor.
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Post by bourdonm15 on May 7, 2014 18:36:58 GMT -5
Matthew Bourdon
Mr. Thomas
English 11
5/7/14
B. It is no longer speculation but instead now a fact that Brabantio is a racist. Of all the things that he should be worrying about through being a higher power in Venice he focuses on Othello. “Run from her guardage to the sooty bosom of such a thing as thou” (Page 27). Through this line he is referring to his skin color because soot is black and Othello is black as well. It is visible that this is the only reason as to why he even cares that his daughter left and is with someone is because he is racist and thinks that Othello kidnapped her.
F. Brabantio’s ignorance is so visible within this scene so far. He is so focused on Othello that he does not even know that the Duke is in council. “How? The Duke in council? In this time of the night?” (Page 27) This actually raises some questions has to if Brabantio has his priorities straight. He is so focused on Othello, who by the way is not concerned with him at all, that he is not focused on what his job is. How can you be a high power in Venice in the middle of a battle with the Turks and not know what is going on? This also shows how disorganized the Venetian senators are.
I. I agree with John’s idea on the relationship of Brabantio and Roderigo. They both hate Othello so a plan to get vengeance on him would be logical (in their eyes) and could possibly happen.
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Post by frankclarke on May 7, 2014 18:48:24 GMT -5
Frank Clarke
Mr. Thomas
English 11
May 7, 2014
D. “Run from her guardage to the sooty bosom of such a ting as thou – to fear, not to delight!” (lines 90-91,27) Now we know, Brabantio has become so consumed his daughter’s affairs that it is truly affecting his life. We know now that he is truly racist, but this remark. With this being said, Othello has called him out on it. He’s become so consumed with it, that he isn’t focusing on his state states issues and things must be done!
A. We learn that Othello and Brabantio are foil characters, along with Iago and Othello. Othello and Brabantio are foil characters, yet they both hold powers of position. Brabantio is bitter towards Othello mainly because he is married to his daughter, and because he’s black. Like I pointed out above, it apparent that his hatred for Othello roots from his racism. Iago and Brabantio are foil characters because Othello was promoted into a higher position of power, and Iago is pretty pissed about that. More of a jealously factor.
C. How is the war going to affect the foil relationships we discovered today? Is Brabantio going to become so consumed in his daughter’s affairs that he strays away from state affairs? This relationship between Othello and Brabantio will also affect Othello and Iago’s, they go hand in hand. With a state representative slowly going insane, Othello will have to step up to the plate and take more control of the situation, leaving Iago deeper and deeper into a slump.
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Post by danokeefe15 on May 7, 2014 19:53:00 GMT -5
Danny O'Keefe
Mr. Thomas
English 11
7 May 2014
C. One thing that I found confusing and wierd was how Brabantio was unaware of what was going with the invasion and with what the Duke was doing. Isnt Brabantio an important person and its also ammusing that he almost doesnt care about it either all he wants is for the Duke to hear what Othello has done with his daughter and for him to be punished.
B. Brabantio, Roderigo, and Iago so far are showing how great of a person Othello really is. With every stupid action from them Othello tends to show how much more mature and better he is then them by acting in a way that all grown men should act. after hearing the claims that Brabantio makes we see how Othello reacts and we see that he is the only rational person. Once he hears the news of Othello and his daughter he quickly jumps to conclusions stating that Othello kidnapped or even is doing magic which is ridiculous and the Duke probably will too.
E. Something that I look forward to is what Roderigo and the rest of them will do now to Othello since they probably still arent over what he has done to them and I look forward to seeing who else will join them and how well Othello will react to the different things they do.
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Post by Sgarlato on May 7, 2014 20:04:53 GMT -5
Stephen Sgarlato
Mr. Thomas
English 11
5/7/14
A. I feel as though scene 3 has turned very racial. Othello is beginning to be called “Moor”. This apparently means “thick lips” or referring to native of Africa. Because Othello is being portrayed as a bad guy now because of his race. Like they don’t even mention his name anymore really. They just refer to him in pronouns and derogatory names. This relates to the world today in many ways and especially back then when this took place. Racism back then was extremely eminent but not really any more than today. In today’s world, racism may not be expressed as much but is still very much around.
C. I don’t understand how Iago can immediately start convincing people that Othello is bad due to his race. Like, Othello is a good, high class man. It isn’t like he lashes out or anything, so I don’t understand how Iago can automatically convince people that he is bad ad make everyone turn on him.
I. To answer Frank’s question I would say that all relationships are going to be destroyed sooner or later. Just from my experience with Shakespeare plays it seems like everything always falls apart in the end so I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone’s relationships just died.
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Post by fotia15 on May 7, 2014 20:53:37 GMT -5
a. I enjoyed these last few scenes it wasnt terrible, yet it still seems quite slow. I find this book very difficult to follow still there are very few sentences that actually make sense to me. I am starting to understand the setting and time period a little better. Id like to see a more character development, because i know shakespear has ways of really making his readers/crowd fall in love with this people. Coming from reading other plays he wrote, i know that it is highly likely that i will end up enjoying Othello, if he brings it to his normal work.
e. The scene where Othellos father in law tries to take him to jail is ... different. He tries to charge him of black witch craft first of all.. What the heck does that even mean. Then Othellos was just super accepting of this charge and was like yeah where do i have to go, Wait just kidding i have somewhere to go. I could help but think if the daughter knew that her father was trying to get him and what will happen when he comes home from war? I hope the best for othello hes the only character that really seems good in this book other than his wife.
I. Whats going to happen to his relationship with his wife when he leaves? Will othello tell his wife about his confrontation... what if his father tries to kill him? I feel like there is more to fathers hatred then then just his race and his daughter going to the dark side.. What could it be?
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Post by georgebaroudos on May 7, 2014 22:42:16 GMT -5
George Baroudos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
7 May 2014
A – I enjoy how calm Othello remains. Everyone is in a fog and over reacting while Othello is staying calm cool and collective. This proves his ability to handle situations. It is so important to not over react and keep your composure in tense situations. This is a key in getting out of a sticky situation. Othello has done nothing wrong and does not see any reason to over react and this works to his advantage.
D – “Hold your hands, Both you of my inclining and the rest” (101-102). This shows Othello diffusing the situation. Othello realizes that this is over absurd acquisitions. Othello does not want to see any fighting and this shows why he is a good general. The best generals fight the least battles. A war is not only won by battles. It is imperative to have a clear mental state and find alternatives. Othello is also able to see both sides of the card. Othello is very intelligent and uses his intelligence for his better. Sometimes fighting is inevitable, but when it can be avoided it should. Not everything is it fight with hands, sometimes it is fought with the mind.
I – Magic plays such a large role in the history of things. We see magic lead to the deaths of people in the Crucible. Brabantio claims that Othello used magic to trick his daughter, which is ridiculous. It seems as if magic is an easy outlook to get someone in trouble. This is truly ridiculous, but it will always do a great job of throwing society into a frantic. It truly is a horrible addition to society because mass hysteria is produced.
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Post by seandelossantos on May 8, 2014 10:36:05 GMT -5
Sean de los Santos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
8 May 2014
Othello Discussion Board
A. This part of Othello relates to the well-known cultural issue known as racism. Racism is seen in the quote said by Berbantio. Berbantio states that Desdemona, “ Runs from her guardage to the sooty bosom of such a thing as thou.”(27) This is an example of Berbantio being racist in which he basically calls Othello a thing. He doesn’t even regard Othello as an actual human being, which clearly shows his racism against Othello and the Moors. He is also being racist in which he calls Othello “sooty,” essentially calling him dirty.
D. One line I enjoyed in the play was, “How may the Duke be therewith satisfied, Whose messengers are here about my side, upon some business of state, To bring me to him.(27)” I like this quote because it shows how sure and calm Othello is in this time of craziness. He is a calm individual in which he is sure he is not getting in trouble. His sureness is shown because the state really needs the leadership of Othello.
F. One relationship I see in the play is the relationship between Berbantio and Othello. The relationship I see is that they are both foils. They are foils because Othello is very calm and collected. Othello is calm, collected and sure that he is able to do stuff because of his position. Berbantio on the other hand is irrational and stubborn due to the fact he is racist. Berbantio’s racism and irrationalism create a relationship of being complete opposite.
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Post by eointunney on May 11, 2014 20:09:30 GMT -5
Eoin Tunney
Mr. Thomas
English 11
11 May 2014
D. The one thing I noticed in scene 3 was how unfair Brabantio is when it comes to accusing people. Brabantio accuses Othello of using black magic on his daughter. And he says if the Duke finds Othello to be guilty then Othello should receive the death penalty. Brabantio also says if he is wrong about his accusation against Othello then they can go on like nothing happened. This seems pretty unfair, and it seems that Brabantio is just abusing his power.
E. In scene three, Othello shows the audience how much he loves Desdemona. Othello says to the Duke, if Desdemona becomes scared of her father and says that he used black magic on her then he will accept the death penalty. This shows that Othello would give up his life for Desdemona and would support her even if it meant he would have to die.
B. In scene three many important events took place, but one of the most important ones was when Desdemona showed her loyalty to Othello by standing up to her father. Desdemona was extremely smart by using the example of her mother showing loyalty to her father. Her father didn’t really have anything to say, except he continued to try to control Desdemona. Since Desdemona professed her loyalty to Othello in front of the court, the Duke stood up for her when her father became unhappy.
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