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Post by Mr. Thomas on Oct 2, 2013 8:31:49 GMT -5
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Post by emmanuelluna on Oct 2, 2013 18:47:47 GMT -5
Emmanuel Luna
Mr. Thomas
English 11
10/2/13
D. A quote that stood out to me was when Hale tells John Proctor that’ “Theology, sir, is a fortress; no crack in a fortress may be accounted small” (1243) He tells John this after he messes up on the final commandment and it shows just how important religion is to them and to their society. This quote also shows how paranoid everyone has become considering that Proctor only messed up once and Hale is still very suspicious of them.
E. An idea that stood out to me in the reading because I feel that it embodies the essence of the true nature of the witch trials, which is to get back at one’s enemies is where Giles says that Walcott blamed his wife of witchcraft. “Now he goes to court and claims that from that day to this he cannot keep a pig alive for more than four weeks because my Martha bewitch them with her books!” (1244-1245) The quote itself shows enough evidence that Walcott is just trying to get back at Martha because he believes that she gives him sick pigs and he calls it witchcraft.
B. A quote that I thought was important was when Proctor says, “Why do you never wonder if Parris be innocent, or Abigail? Is the accuser always holy now?” (1246) This quote is significant because it shows that Proctor is well aware of the true nature of the witch trials and accusations and that he does not trust anyone, especially the ones that are accusing others.
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Post by djmat on Oct 2, 2013 19:39:45 GMT -5
Dj Mat
Mr. Thomas
English 11
10/2/13
G. If i were Elizabeth at this moment i would be insanely scared. He has just been summoned to court because Abigail has accused her of being a witch, even though there is no concrete evidence for this accusation. At the same time i would have to keep a cool head because i know for a fact that john proctor is a hot head. Elizabeth tells John “ I must go with them. He cannot bear to look at her. Mary, there is bread enough for the morning; you will bake, in the afternoon. Help mr. Proctor as you were his daughter- you owe me that, much and more.” This just shows that she is keeping a cool head about this even though she might be put to death.
D. I thought it was pretty cool when Hale was over at Proctor’s home and he was starting to put together the pieces of this witch mystery. he does not really suspect anyone but he is also not disregarding any possible suspects. He tells Elizabeth “Goody proctor, i do not judge you. My duty is to add what i may to the godly wisdom of the court” meaning he is just trying to find the facts of this situation. In this part he reminds me of a detective in a movie or cartoon.
C. I do not understand why Elizabeth proctor is such a strong willed woman. I dont mind that she is but i assumed especially during this time period for women to be submissive. Was this the authors intention? the part that stuck out to me the most was when she said “i cannot think the devil may own a woman’s soul, Mr Hale, when she keeps an upright way as i have. I am a good woman, I know it; and if you believe i may do only good work in the world, and yet be secretly bound to satan, then i must tell you, sir, I do not believe.” This showed how strong her will is even against a man.
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Post by eointunney on Oct 2, 2013 20:17:03 GMT -5
Eoin Tunney
Mr. Thomas
English 11
2 October 2013
E. One character I have extremely come to dislike is Abigail. Even though she did not directly speak in these pages, she had a great impact on everything. Abigail is such an evil person. What made me really come to dislike her was the fact that she got Goody Proctor arrested by saying that Goody Proctor stabbed a doll with a needle, which caused an actual two-inch needle to stab into Abigail. It amazes me how Abigail would go so far as to stabbing herself so Goody Proctor could be arrested and Proctor would then be hers. Also it really amazed me how the people believed everything Abigail said.
D. One thing that I was really surprised about was how vicious Proctor was to Marry Warren at the end of Act Two. On page 1248 the book says, “grasping her by the throat as though he would strangle her:” and “He throws her to the floor,” When Proctor did this I automatically thought that he was a very angered and dangerous man. This is the second time in this act that Proctor has tried to or attacked Mary Warren. I feel like Proctor really hates Mary Warren and it wouldn’t surprise me if he ended up killing her by the end up the story.
I. After reading these few pages, I had the very same thoughts as Emmanuel Luna had in his comments for part D. In the first few pages Hale is questioning Proctor about why he hasn’t been in church. Just like Luna said, Hale also becomes very suspicious when Proctor can’t remember one of the commandments. I found this very crazy because if I was living back then and I was asked to say the Ten Commandments, I would most likely be killed for not being able to remember half of them.
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Post by danokeefe15 on Oct 2, 2013 20:21:49 GMT -5
Danny O’Keefe
Mr. Thomas
English 11
10/2/13
C. A question that came into my mind while reading Act II was why is Abigail giving all these names up. Did all 39 of those people do something to her? Is there any good evidence for the arrests of these people? I fell like people are getting arrested for no reason. I also thought that in the beginning Abigail says that what they were doing in the woods wasn’t witch craft, but now she’s saying that it is. i also want to know where Tituba went cause isn’t she supposedly a witch because she is the one talking to the dead, isn’t she technically the biggest witch?
D. Part of Act II that stood out to me was when Elizabeth was asked if she owned a doll and she said no, but she really had one. They said that Abigail found a needle in her stomach, I wonder if that was planned or was it by accident. Did Abigail know about the doll? I like this because it’s just another one of Abigail’s awful lies, so that she can get back at her
E. I have now come to really hate Abigail and all of Salem except for the Proctors. I fell like everyone in Salem are idiots and actually believe what’s going on. I also don’t like Abigail because she is ruining everything for John Proctor. She is ruining him and his relationship.
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Post by georgebaroudos on Oct 2, 2013 20:35:58 GMT -5
George Baroudos
Mr. Thomas
English 11
2 October 2013
A – Proctor will do anything to get his life out of the situation she is in. Cheever taking Elizabeth enrages Proctor, but now he is determined. Many times in my life have I been determined, I was actually very determined to get into Xavier. I made it a personal goal, even though if I’m not sure if it was a good decision I was determined. I think that getting what you strived for is the best feeling a man can ask for. The feeling of accomplishment is irreplaceable and I hope Proctor will free his wife.
D – “Proctor, you dare not touch the warrant.” (1246), this is a classic case of a man hiding behind authority. Cheever comes off as an extreme coward to me, this shows that he is hiding and cannot actually stand up for himself. Cheever’s character annoys me very much; his reactions are ridiculous and have to stand behind his authority. Cheever is a coward and quite honestly incompetent because he clearly does not have the mental capacity to see what is really going on. But the with the use of authority, who knows what it will do to you.
E – I knew from the beginning of Act 2 that Proctor had an un-controlling temper. His true colors are shown when he does not get his way. Proctor hates the fact that Mary Warren is to afraid to help him which causes him to almost strangle her. Proctor’s rage is disgusting and is understandable but he gets too physical, no women should ever be hit. Proctor even throws her to the ground that is wrong, society changes but no women should be hit ever.
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Post by bourdonm15 on Oct 2, 2013 20:38:04 GMT -5
Matthew Bourdon
Mr. Thomas
English 11
10/2/13
D. A quote that definitely caught my attention was that of John Proctor telling Hale the truth. “I – I have no witness and cannot prove it, except my word be taken. But I do know the children’s sickness had naught to do with witchcraft.” (Page 1243)With this statement, Proctor is already showing a false accusation that most of the characters in the story had made up which was that the sickness of Betty was because of witchcraft. This marks a turning point in the story that shows that people are starting to realize that there is no such thing as witchcraft.
A. The part where Rebecca is put in jail for absolutely no reason can relate to any one of the innocent that is wrongfully put in jail. “Believe me, Mr. Nurse, if Rebecca Nurse be tainted, then nothing’s left to stop the whole green world from burning. Let you rest upon the justice of the court; the court will send her home, I know it.” (Page 1244) Does Hale really believe that the court is going to send Rebecca home? Absolutely not, he is definitely lying. It is ridiculous how he is saying that the court will send her home right away. If that’s the case then why would they imprison her in the first place? What Hale said is very contradictory.
E. I honestly do not like this story. Every different Act it seems as if each character and idea is nonsense after nonsense. Abigail has something out for all the other characters. Each Act is just new confusion and nonsense.
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Post by johnmarano on Oct 2, 2013 21:16:46 GMT -5
John Marano
Mr. Thomas
English 11
2 October 2013
A. From Mr. Hale’s questioning throughout this reading, he almost is beginning to seem phony. When he says “I note that you are rarely in the church on the Sabbath Day” (1242), this kind of reminded me of my religious actions. I hate when I am accused of doing something and me not “being religious enough” has some affect to it. It makes no sense. Mr. Hale is basically accusing the Proctors of not going to church, which could allow him to believe they are cursed. John Proctor also reveals how he is praying at home. This reminds me of when my mom tells me I’m never in church. This annoys me because I still have contact with God through my inner prayer. I can feel Proctor’s anger toward being accused because he barely gets to church.
D. Act 2 is beginning to really bring the story alive. As the story begins to get very interesting, I enjoyed reading the conversations and accusations in the Proctor household. “Why, Abigail Williams charged her,” said Cheever. I really liked this quote because it really makes sense. As we know, Abigail has pure hatred and jealousy towards Good Proctor. She is planning to get back at her and frames her, which leads to her being imprisoned. Because of this, I think John Proctor now knows there are no witches being involved. I think he is catching onto the little phony act that Abby is pulling.
E. At first, I wasn’t too fond of John Proctor. I mean come on he cheats on his wife and still has some nerve to question her at times. I do like though that he is really showing how sorry he is. Although he obviously does not reveal his secret, I like how he tries to make better of the situation. He stays by his wife’s side the whole time as she is being taken to jail for literally no reason.
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Post by 1adams12 on Oct 2, 2013 21:44:38 GMT -5
Michael Adams
Crucible Page 1242-1248
A. When Mr. Hale asked Proctor and Elizabeth to recite the 10 Commandments, I was thinking it was a good thing that he did not ask me because I know that I would have forgotten one or two underneath pressure. I personally know all of them, but when I crack under pressure, I draw a blank on them, and/or I forget them when it comes to need them. This one time happened to me, when I was in Junior Church. Junior Church is for the younger kids that are not ready to hear what the minister has to say about God. The person in charge wanted to see if I knew all my commandments, and I thought I did so I said yes, and when she asked me to recite them I had no idea what they were because I was under pressure.
D. One of my favorite lines is “Why, I-I think it is mine” (1246). I personally thought this line was hilarious because you either know that if the poppet is yours or not. Another line that I thought was hilarious was “I—I believe I did, sir, I—“(1246). You should either know if you put a needle in the poppet, or you did not do it. These two lines I thought hilarious because how can you forget what you did with the poppet and if it belongs to you or not.
C. One thing that I had a question about was why is Mary acting this way? Is it because she is underneath life or death? Is it because she is under pressure that she believes is not good?
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Post by etiennem15 on Oct 2, 2013 22:02:58 GMT -5
Marvin Etienne
Mr. Thomas
English 11
2 October 2013
The Crucible
A. During these pages of the story, it became apparent to me that Hale was similar to a detective or like Sherlock Holmes. He's slowly putting the pieces together with the whole situation with people being blamed of being witches and it all started from Abigail and her poor decisions. Hale has a lot of questions for everybody and it feels like no one is safe from being a suspect. He even asks the Proctors to say the 10 Commandments. I don't really know what that would prove, but he is doing his job.
D. I found it interesting how Hale was on John Proctor like white in rice when he messed up only one commandment. This shows the seriousness of the situation and how no one can be overlooked as a suspect. Just not being in church for one day can be evidence toward you, as we see Hale pound the Proctor's with questions about this. "You are rarely in the church on the Sabbath Day." It is obvious that John becomes annoyed and angry and gets physical by hitting Mary Warren. I think he is taking his anxiety and anger out on her.
C. Throughout the story, I always wonder why everyone in Salem is so gullible. There is chaos and a frenzy based on accusations that are not even backed up by factual evidence. I guess back then people had big imaginations because everyone seems to be into the witchcraft nonsense, yet, no one has even seen it actually take place.
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Post by frankclarke on Oct 2, 2013 22:03:31 GMT -5
Frank Clarke Mr. Thomas English 11 2 October 201 3 D. I really, truly enjoyed the line on page 1243 that states: “Theology, sir, is a fortress; no crack in a fortress may be accounted small.” In religion class our main focus is ethics, and we’re getting into some theological virtues. This really backs the theory that even if you have a minor inconclusive thought in your ideology, everyone automatically dismisses it. Just as if the fortress had a hole in it, it would be considered foolish to take up base in there. Your ideology has to be rock solid, or it will never hold up in every circumstance. A. On page 1244 when Proctor says, angrily “How may such a woman murder children?” This quote has a great deal of significance to the whole story. Its kind of ignorance and a bit ironic, that killing children is bad, but accusing people of Witchcraft and killing them isn’t! (Not saying Proctor did these acts) But it’s kind of funny how there’s a certain line they wouldn’t let anyone cross, but once you reach a certain limit across that line, everyone has a fit! It just doesn’t make any sense at all. I. I liked what Emmanuel has to say about the same quote I used for “D”. It really backs my reasoning of this being a key quote for the entire story. It encompasses the key components of this story. Emmanuel talked about how religion can be portrayed through this quote, as well as the theological sense of the overall theme of the book.  |
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Post by rodriguezj15 on Oct 2, 2013 23:34:53 GMT -5
Joel Rodriguez
Mr. Thomas
English 11
October 3, 2013
E. I find Abigail to be a manipulative little brat. All of this chaos is due to her devious plan and no one can stop her. Even Mary Warren knows it too and she warns John Proctor, “She’ll kill me for saying that! Abby’ll charge lechery on you, Mr. Proctor. She’ll ruin you with it; I know she will (Miller 1248).” She does all of this to get what she wants, John Proctor. She reminds me of Catherine Ames from John Steinbeck’s East of Eden.
F. I find the relationship between Mary Warren and the Proctor family to be false. I think that Mary Warren could have saved Elizabeth Proctor from being taken to jail. When Mary was asked if that puppet with a needle in it is hers and if she is in her right state of mind, she answers, “Conjures me? Why no, sir, I am entirely myself, I think,” hinting hesitation (Miller1246). I think this is because she wants revenge for how the Proctors treated her.
B. This reading is the moment right before the climax. This is where there is so much tension you can literally feel it in the air. I feel like John Proctor, Giles Cory, Francis Nurse, and Mary Warren are going to bust into the prison where they have forty accused witches and bust them all out. John’s pump up speech for Mary says it all, “Make your peace with it! Now Heaven and Hell grapple on our backs, all your old pretense is ripped away- make your peace (Miller 1248)!”
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Post by michaelannunziata on Oct 3, 2013 9:11:16 GMT -5
Michael Annunziata
Mr. Thomas
English 11
10/2/13
A. One thing in this that I can relate to is the fact that Proctor is just so determined to get Elizabeth out of the situation that she is in. With that being said I have been determined to do many things in my life as well. One things that I have been determined to do was make my parents proud. I want them to tell people how much of an influence I am to my little brother and to set the road for my family’s last name. That’s my connection to proctors life.
D. “I – I have no witness and cannot prove it, except my word be taken. But I do know the children’s sickness had naught to do with witchcraft.” (Page 1243) This quote was very excited to me because proctor said this when all he had was his word to prove himself right. I like this quote a lot because it shows how the world should be. It should be where people shouldn’t need proof to prove something. People should just tell the world the truth all the time. That’s why I liked this quote a lot.
E. At the beginning of the story I really didn’t like proctor and his personality for many reasons and one of them being that he cheated on his wife and still questioned her about cheating. But as the book goes on he seems to impress because of the way he shows his caring for other people like Elizabeth. I feel that as long as you care and show your love for someone you have succeeded because that’s the ultimate goal in a mans life.
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Post by seandelossantos on Oct 3, 2013 17:44:56 GMT -5
Sean de los Santos
Mr.Thomas
English 11
October 2nd 2013
A. This part of The Crucible reminds me of a terrorist threat that would have a great affect on the people today. This part is the part where people falsely accuse other people of murder. The people of today would probably accuse someone randomly of terrorism just because he or she is Muslim. In the Crucible, they accuse Mary for hurting Abigail with the poppet and a needle, kind of like a voodoo doll. It is apparent when Cheever says that, “Abigail falls to the floor. Like a strucked beast she screamed a scream that a bull would weep to her.” This causes everyone in the house at the time to accuse her of witchcraft. The same thing could go for present society. Anyone who has a suspicious piece of anything could be subject to false accusations.
E. The person I liked in this part of the play was Proctor. One particular action I liked was when he told Hale that he didn’t get his 2nd baby baptized. He tells him he didn’t want Parris to lay a single hand on the baby. This is something I liked in the play because I do agree that Parris does not have a single spec of God inside of him. All he talks about is hell and how we are doomed.
C. One part of this reading that was really confusing was how they were able to just accuse Elizabeth of witchcraft. It’s insane how they were able to accuse her after looking at the voodoo doll she had. They just looked at the pin and said that she put Abigail under a voodoo curse. How were they able to accuse that quickly?
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Post by poulong15 on Oct 6, 2013 8:19:46 GMT -5
Gregory Poulon
Mr. Thomas
English -11
2 October 2013
The Crucibles pgs (1242-1248)
A- During the play I caught my attention to see how drive worthy Proctor was and determined to get out of this bad situation. There have been time in my life were I have been in a situation and desperately wanted to get out. It was my Freshman Fun Day at Xavier. I really did not know anyone and I really did not know how I would spend four years of my life here. It was a very scary moment going into Xavier and not even knowing one person. I was determined to leave and not stay, but then I realized and things got a whole lot better. This was a real relief.
B- Through out this part of act II, there were many interesting quotes that really stood out and caught my attention. The one quote that really stood out to me is the one said by John Proctor. “I – I have no witness and cannot prove it, except my word be taken. But I do know the children’s sickness had naught to do with witchcraft.” The reason that I chose this quote cause this was the time were we see Betty be acquitted for witchcraft. Even though this idea is false why is the reason why she has to be accused?
C- I have bean reading on through the first two acts, and I am kind of sick. I really do not know if I can move on and keep reading. The story to me just keeps on dragging on and on and I am predicting at the end of the story, everyone who was accused is not going to be the person who is actually witchcraft. As you can understand I do not really like the story, and I am kind of finding it weird.
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